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xx How would other songs sound in a 2007 version?
« Thread started on: Mar 9th, 2014, 11:19am »

What the title means, is that nearly all the songs were played in a lower key due to Phil Collins' voice getting deeper. So, I ask you all, what would songs that weren't in the setlist sound in a lower key?
I heard Abacab was originally gonna be part of the setlist but since dear ol' Phil didn't know what it was about, they scrapped it. How would it sound in a lower key?
I'd be glad to recieve some answers.
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 9th, 2014, 12:18pm »

I think many of the 2007 key changes were really successful, and there are a few that I prefer over the original key. Mama, Home By The Sea, and Ripples stand out to me as sounding better in their latter-day versions.

I think I'm in the minority, but the key changes (for the most part) don't bother me at all. I'd much rather hear a song performed well and confidently than listen feeling like the original key is some kind of "standard of perfection" that a band must always be beholden to.

A great many Genesis songs were recorded in awful keys for the singers they had in the band, and at the time they didn't really give it much thought because either Peter would sing a lower harmony (or just miss a bunch of notes) or later on Phil would just try to power through it.

Most any of their songs could be successful in a different key, but it depends a lot on how everyone in the band approaches it, perhaps looking at changing around some chord voicings and not just playing everything exactly the same way, just down a step or two.
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 9th, 2014, 10:28pm »

Supper's Ready would've sounded awesome. Like it always does. cool (Sorry, couldn't resist)
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xx Re: How would other songs sound in a 2007 version?
« Reply #3 on: Mar 29th, 2014, 10:26am »

on Mar 9th, 2014, 11:19am, Stardust wrote:
What the title means, is that nearly all the songs were played in a lower key due to Phil Collins' voice getting deeper. So, I ask you all, what would songs that weren't in the setlist sound in a lower key?
I heard Abacab was originally gonna be part of the setlist but since dear ol' Phil didn't know what it was about, they scrapped it. How would it sound in a lower key?
I'd be glad to recieve some answers.


We tried abacab during a show (something we flew together in rehearsal) in a lower key (major second lowered) . Sound is not very well and it's the end section, but you will hear that it sounds a bit disoriented in a lower key. I had a lot of trouble getting comfortable with it because it just sounded very wrong to me. Needless to say it was a one time thing…



Regarding lowering keys, most songs don't benefit from it (domino, home by the sea for example), others sound actually good in lower keys (land of confusion—till a certain key, mama lowered 1 or 2 semitones, end of suppers ready), others are okay (no son of mine, I know what I like).

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xx Re: How would other songs sound in a 2007 version?
« Reply #4 on: May 13th, 2014, 2:42pm »

If you really want to know, I think there are sound editor systems that can lower keys in music by just pressing a button.
Be fun to try it out.
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« Reply #5 on: May 13th, 2014, 3:57pm »

on May 13th, 2014, 2:42pm, Hackenbacker wrote:
If you really want to know, I think there are sound editor systems that can lower keys in music by just pressing a button.
Be fun to try it out.

That sounds quite neat. I assume that these systems don't slow the music down as well as lowering the key. grin wink
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xx Re: How would other songs sound in a 2007 version?
« Reply #6 on: May 14th, 2014, 03:39am »

Have to say that the only thing I didn't like about the 2007 tour was the lowering of keys. TOTALLY understand why they did it but some songs just sound wrong to my ears. If you think that was bad though try listening to Ray sing That's All a tone down on the CAS tour....Song should never have even been in the set list in my opinion cool

Still....Not as bad as the dreadful "key change" in Driving The Last Spike live rolleyes

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« Reply #7 on: Jun 16th, 2014, 06:59am »

its a shame in too deep was too high,
would have liked to hear thats all and Sqounk,
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xx Re: How would other songs sound in a 2007 version?
« Reply #8 on: Jun 17th, 2014, 11:16am »

For me, the key of a song lends a very specific quality to it. This may have to do with the fact that I have perfect pitch. Even a semi-tone difference can change things greatly. So for the most part, the key changes on the 2007 tour made the songs sound quite different to me.

The one song that I thought sounded great with the key change was Invisible Touch. The key of F for me is very clean, almost mechanical and formal. Changing this song to D made it much more warm and human.

In terms of other songs, I'm not sure I would have liked any with key changes more than the original. But I would still gladly have taken a full Cinema Show, TLLDOB, etc. in whatever key they wanted rather than not hear them at all.
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