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« Reply #1 on: Nov 11th, 2016, 6:29pm »

Such a talented singer with his deep voice.

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« Reply #2 on: Nov 11th, 2016, 7:17pm »

I have to admit, I have never been a "fan" of Leonard Cohen. I do think that he wrote incredibly beautiful, fascinating, intriguing, and wonderful songs, but I have never latched onto him as a performer. I guess I'm kind of like one of those people who don't particularly like Bob Dylan because of his singing style.

An album that I really like is Famous Blue Raincoat by Jennifer Warnes. It's a collection of Leonard Cohen covers. Terrific performances, great sound. I think it was the album that actually got me interested in Cohen"s music. I also discovered that many of my favorite singers and songwriters have been heavily influenced by him.

Here in Canada there's been a huge response to Cohen's passing. He's considered to be one of the greatest masters of his craft, and rightfully so.

Thank you for all the gems Lenny. R.I.P.

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« Reply #3 on: Nov 11th, 2016, 8:43pm »

on Nov 11th, 2016, 7:17pm, HENRY wrote:
I have to admit, I have never been a "fan" of Leonard Cohen. I do think that he wrote incredibly beautiful, fascinating, intriguing, and wonderful songs, but I have never latched onto him as a performer. I guess I'm kind of like one of those people who don't particularly like Bob Dylan because of his singing style.

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I certainly feel the same way about respecting Cohen for his craftsmanship.

And much in the same vein as people often talk about Dylan (a great songwriter for other artists), I typically felt the definitive versions of some of Cohen's best-known songs were those recorded by the likes of Fairport Convention, the Neville Brothers, Jeff Buckley, among others.

Nonetheless, it's yet another musical legend we have sadly lost this year.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 12th, 2016, 10:57am »

For me the major difference between Cohen and Dylan is, that Cohen paid more heed to the arrangement of his songs, than Dylan. While I prefer most Dylan songs being covered by others, I have always enjoyed Cohen doing his own stuff. He was definetely a better singer, than Dylan is. And you can enjoy Cohen without paying heed to the lyrics in the first place.
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 13th, 2016, 12:11pm »

Cohen falls in that category of artists I respect but who don't have much personal meaning to me - but by any means he left a legacy (besides many others) in the naming of my band which is called "Famous Black Raincoat". Thank you Leonard, never regretted that band name. smiley
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 14th, 2016, 7:57pm »

I can appreciate Henry's comments about not latching on to him as a performer. Certainly his singing on his early recordings makes me cringe at times. I too more fully appreciated him via Jennifer Warnes's Famous Blue Raincoat album first. However, in his later recordings, where his voice dropped an octave or too, I find him much more listenable and compelling. And I was very pleasantly surprised when I saw him in concert a few years ago - it was very emotionally engaging and musically satisfying.

Dylan and Cohen were great admirers of each other's work. There is a recent New Yorker article that has a section in which Dylan speaks at length about Cohen's songwriting: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/17/leonard-cohen-makes-it-darker

A funny story is related about a conversation that Dylan and Cohen had about the time it took to write specific songs:

Over the decades, Dylan and Cohen saw each other from time to time. In the early eighties, Cohen went to see Dylan perform in Paris, and the next morning in a café they talked about their latest work. Dylan was especially interested in “Hallelujah.” Even before three hundred other performers made “Hallelujah” famous with their cover versions, long before the song was included on the soundtrack for “Shrek” and as a staple on “American Idol,” Dylan recognized the beauty of its marriage of the sacred and the profane. He asked Cohen how long it took him to write.

“Two years,” Cohen lied.

Actually, “Hallelujah” had taken him five years. He drafted dozens of verses and then it was years more before he settled on a final version. In several writing sessions, he found himself in his underwear, banging his head against a hotel-room floor.

Cohen told Dylan, “I really like ‘I and I,’ ” a song that appeared on Dylan’s album “Infidels.” “How long did it take you to write that?”

“About fifteen minutes,” Dylan said.


Shows you the difference between Cohen as the careful craftsman and Dylan as the more spontaneous follower of his muse. Both are great songwriters in their different ways.
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