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« Thread started on: Oct 15th, 2015, 2:19pm »

As Halloween approaches always find myself listening to darker more gothic tones. Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division, The Cure, Editors, White Lies, Japan, Gary Numan, The Cult, Interpol etc. Anyone else out there in touch with their inner goth? There are some classic gothic tunes.
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 16th, 2015, 05:27am »

I don't own many album considered "gothic rock", but I do own a lot of dark music, most of it heavy metal. Right now I'm just finishing Pallas's Wearewhoweare, which is a rather dark and sinister album.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 16th, 2015, 06:57am »

Those bands you mention I would have filed under New Wave. But yea, the line is fluent I guess. Gothic is not really my cup of tea but I don't mind it once in a while. Then again I hardly know anything Gothic. There's this fusion genre called "Futurepop" which is Gothic mixed with Techno, I like that. I have an album by the Crüxshadows, my nephew copied me it, it's nice.
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 16th, 2015, 07:35am »

I’ve never properly investigated gothic rock, though I do like what I’ve heard – The Cure, Bauhaus and the odd bit of the Banshees – one of these days I’ll take a closer look!

Some other good examples of seasonally spooky music for me at least would be these; they are mostly “ambient” mood-setters rather than conventional songs though:

Brain Eno: “Ambient 4 – On Land”, also the ambient bits of “Apollo – Atmospheres and Soundtracks”

Harold Budd – “Abandoned Cities” and perhaps “Lovely Thunder”

Early 1970’s Tangerine Dream – particularly “Zeit”

Dead Can Dance - especially “Within the Realm of a Dying Sun”

Biosphere – “Substrata”. In its evocation of icy landscapes it can also get pretty creepy…

The “This Mortal Coil” albums fit the bill too, especially the instrumental bits.

I’ve perhaps strayed a bit from “Gothic Rock”, but hopefully it’s all still in keeping with the underlying Halloween theme! grin
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 16th, 2015, 08:57am »

That is why I like to distinguish between gothic rock and more gothic tones. Good goth clubs today will play a variety of dark music sounds, from the bands I mentioned to soundtracks, electronica, dark new wave. Those that stick to the gothic rock formula would bore me to death. Can imagine the good clubs opening with stuff like Tubular Bells before launching into Bowie, Bauhaus, The Smiths. Sabbath even. More a dark feel, than a style of music.

Great example. Remember putting on the debut album by Bauhaus and hearing this for the first time. Blown away. Still powerful especially when played loud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxaFZq1Y5M
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 16th, 2015, 1:11pm »

Oh yea right, this thread is about Halloween too. Since I don't "get" Halloween I'm a bit lost what music should suit it best.

This is going pretty off-topic regarding the Gothic stuff but for what it's worth: one of the DJ sites I put my mixtapes on used to have an annual competition for Halloween mixes. Last year I was wondering if I might take part in it but I withdrew when I saw what kind of mixes had won the last couple contests. They want dance tracks with a silly "spooky" attitude, such as MJ's Thriller. (Nothing against that by the way, I love this track but it's zero spooky and scary to me.)

What I would have created - and maybe I'm still going for it some day - would be really creepy music. Music that creeps you out for real, a sonic nightmare. My first drafts included some dark ambient stuff (for example the middle section of Pink Floyd's Echoes mixed with other stuff), some terrorcore, and some unlistenable experimental music. I still have lots of ideas for mixing voice samples with sound effects and music, there has to be screams that scare the shit out of you, voices that get sonically shreddered into pieces, insane hysterical laughter contrasted to the gloomiest depressing music ever etc. The whole thing will take a lot of work but it will be a terrifying lot of fun if I ever get it done. It just won't have anything to do with Halloween, I guess. tongue
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 18th, 2015, 11:38am »

on Oct 15th, 2015, 2:19pm, proginrev wrote:
As Halloween approaches always find myself listening to darker more gothic tones. Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division, The Cure, Editors, White Lies, Japan, Gary Numan, The Cult, Interpol etc. Anyone else out there in touch with their inner goth? There are some classic gothic tunes.

Some great stuff in that list, certainly. It’s yet another overlap genre: the fans are easy to spot but the music’s more elusive. I wouldn’t have thought of Gary Numan or Joy Division as Goth, although on reflection Ian Curtis must be the ultimate Goth role model!
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 19th, 2015, 06:40am »

on Oct 16th, 2015, 1:11pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
Oh yea right, this thread is about Halloween too. Since I don't "get" Halloween I'm a bit lost what music should suit it best.

This is going pretty off-topic regarding the Gothic stuff but for what it's worth: one of the DJ sites I put my mixtapes on used to have an annual competition for Halloween mixes. Last year I was wondering if I might take part in it but I withdrew when I saw what kind of mixes had won the last couple contests. They want dance tracks with a silly "spooky" attitude, such as MJ's Thriller. (Nothing against that by the way, I love this track but it's zero spooky and scary to me.)

What I would have created - and maybe I'm still going for it some day - would be really creepy music. Music that creeps you out for real, a sonic nightmare. My first drafts included some dark ambient stuff (for example the middle section of Pink Floyd's Echoes mixed with other stuff), some terrorcore, and some unlistenable experimental music. I still have lots of ideas for mixing voice samples with sound effects and music, there has to be screams that scare the shit out of you, voices that get sonically shreddered into pieces, insane hysterical laughter contrasted to the gloomiest depressing music ever etc. The whole thing will take a lot of work but it will be a terrifying lot of fun if I ever get it done. It just won't have anything to do with Halloween, I guess. tongue


Sounds like you could have fun putting that together! Like you I’d rather have something genuinely eerie than the likes of Thriller. Back in my student days my friends and I liked to chill out with dimmed lights, good music and something nice to drink. On this occasion we switched the lights off completely, and then I put on “Zeit” by Tangerine Dream… It wasn’t long before a very small, worried sounding voice said “Can we have the lights back on please?”

The atmosphere to Brian Eno’s “On Land” is similar to the middle of Echoes, but without the shrieking guitars. Lots of “found” noises and field recordings mixed with electronic sounds into a very dark sounding brew.

Biosphere’s “Substrata” has a similar feel too in places, especially “Sphere of No-Form”, with its wind, trickling water, and loud foghorn type noises calling and responding to each other across the icy wastes.

Bits of Vangelis’ “Heaven and Hell” might fit the bill too, “Intestinal Bat” with its twittering bats and rattling and scraping noises. “12 O’clock Part 1” starts off very dreamily, then the deranged giggling starts…

Vangelis is too fond of a good tune to be really scary, but there’s an eerie gothic grandeur to his “El Greco” album, it reminds me of walking around Venice after dark.
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 19th, 2015, 09:51am »

Some good tips! smiley Yea, this project will need some time, maybe I'll get it done some day.
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 20th, 2015, 2:50pm »

Interesting to see what people define as Goth. I used to enjoy The Mission and The Cult back in the nineties, both of whom were classed as Goth bands. Of course, The Cult became a more mainstream rock band later.
Another band who weren't bad were Fields Of The Nephilim.
Don't realy listen to much Goth these days. (I wonder if some would call Porcupine Tree, one of my favourite bands a few years ago, a sort of Goth metal band these days, considering how depressing they can sound at times? grin)
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 21st, 2015, 11:16am »

I enjoyed Bauhaus back in high school, particularly Bela Lugosi's Dead (cranked up, in the dark) and She's In Parties.

The Cure were goth-ish at some points but were also pretty straight pop (Friday I'm In Love) at others. Great throughout in my opinion.

This Mortal Coil is something I haven't pulled out of my LP collection in some time, but for sure fits this kind of mood.

As for Siouxsie, I never really liked them except for the single Kiss Them For Me, which was more pop than goth.
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 22nd, 2015, 07:00am »

I’d forgotten about the Nephs, another band that I don’t know that well but like what little I’ve heard. That’s me and goth music all over really, I never was a goth, or looked the part, but I did like what music I heard. Prompted by this thread I think it is about time I finally listened to a bit more, I’ll still give the “look” a miss though, I haven’t got the cheekbones for it. grin

Another good non-goth candidate for “eerie” music might be Godspeed You! Black Emperor, they can get quite apocalyptic and doom laden at times…
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 22nd, 2015, 09:09am »

on Oct 20th, 2015, 2:50pm, Chessman wrote:
Interesting to see what people define as Goth. I used to enjoy The Mission and The Cult back in the nineties, both of whom were classed as Goth bands. Of course, The Cult became a more mainstream rock band later.
Another band who weren't bad were Fields Of The Nephilim.
Don't realy listen to much Goth these days. (I wonder if some would call Porcupine Tree, one of my favourite bands a few years ago, a sort of Goth metal band these days, considering how depressing they can sound at times? grin)


Steven Wilson was influenced by the bands of the darker variety during the making of his solo album Insurgentes.
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 22nd, 2015, 09:15am »

on Oct 20th, 2015, 2:50pm, Chessman wrote:
Interesting to see what people define as Goth. I used to enjoy The Mission and The Cult back in the nineties, both of whom were classed as Goth bands. Of course, The Cult became a more mainstream rock band later.
Another band who weren't bad were Fields Of The Nephilim.
Don't realy listen to much Goth these days. (I wonder if some would call Porcupine Tree, one of my favourite bands a few years ago, a sort of Goth metal band these days, considering how depressing they can sound at times? grin)


The Mission I never really dug, The Cult I preferred them when they were Southern Death Cult and then Death Cult. The shorter the name the more into straight ahead rock territory they went. They began to lose me then. Fields of the Nephilim I never took to. Interesting that this is the phase where some goths would say the scene lost it's way, and yet this is what most people relate to as real goth. Funny how all scenes have arguments over what is and what isn't included.
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 22nd, 2015, 09:32am »

And cannot believe I have forgotten the genius that is Nick Cave. He has made some incredible music.
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