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xx A bit of Jazz
« Thread started on: Jan 17th, 2014, 12:01pm »

Let's start a thread about jazz...likes, dislikes...is jazz rock really jazz?...do we really have to listen again to All the things you are AGAIN? (for Schrottrocker ) If you don't like jazz, you're welcome too...

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An unorthodox start with flute (not everybody's cup of tea in jazz) and European musiciansshocked

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xx Re: A bit of Jazz
« Reply #1 on: Jan 17th, 2014, 12:42pm »

Not my cup of tea, but I remember some very nice concerts in Clamores in the 80s wink

Btw, later Steve Hackett played in that venue, I think it was around 2007 or so, but unfortunately I couldn't attend to the gig.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 17th, 2014, 12:44pm »

Not so much into traditional jazz or improv as much as I'm into Jazz Fusion/Jazz Rock.

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Many of today's progressive rock bands often incorporate jazz in one form or another into their music.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 17th, 2014, 1:26pm »

"Is Jazz Rock really Jazz" - as far as I know jazz lovers insist jazz rock is rock while the rest of the world insists it is jazz. wink
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 17th, 2014, 1:53pm »

on Jan 17th, 2014, 12:01pm, Feadogastain wrote:
If you don't like jazz, you're welcome too...

I donít like to write off the whole genre which is quite varied, but I never listen to jazz voluntarily, largely because my mum used to inflict Cleo Laine on us, which was excruciating! rolleyes
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 18th, 2014, 09:54am »

While I really love jazz, I'll admit that I'm pretty traditional in my tastes. I pretty much like everything up until the early 60s. After that, I have a very hard time finding the thread in the music. Any more recent jazz that I like is either reworking of more traditional material or hybrids like jazz rock where I have (usually) a more clear musical structure to follow.

My favourites lean towards the classics:

Traditional Dixieland style jazz such as the Preservation Hall Jazz Band.
Big Band style jazz, including Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington.
Jazz vocal greats such as Billie Holiday, Frank Sinatra (his 50s work for Capitol).
And I like some smaller ensemble stuff too such as Miles Davis's 50s output, Charles Mingus, Dave Brubek.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 18th, 2014, 10:44am »

I don't own any jazz recordings. However, I have seen live jazz bands occasionally and found them to be foot tappingly good. smiley The only name I remember is drummer Ronnie Verrell, who I saw perform with his band at the local arts centre, some time in the 1990s.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 18th, 2014, 5:14pm »

I have several early albums by Jean Luc Ponty (I don't know if he's considered jazz or jazz fusion).
Very enjoyable. Daryl plays on two of the albums I have and I couldn't help feeling his talents were far more suited to playing with JLP than Genesis.

The only other jazz album I have is a Buddy Rich record called Blues Caravan.
I specifically zeroed in on this one because it contrasts from his usual big brassy bands. This was a six-piece lineup that featured guitar, piano and woodwinds, and of course Buddy's drumming.
The same lineup did one other album called Playtime which I also want to get at some point.
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 19th, 2014, 2:04pm »

Jazz rock is still jazz to me (its a kind of fusion genre). Rock with a jazz attitude (of the musicians that is). It basically means that you have a tune for a more rock like ensemble and improvisation is still a huge element of the composition. Interestingly though, jazz rock borrows more from classical idioms too as its very common to score out larger sections of the music and play it more or less "as written".

I'm very much into jazz. From Bebop to Avant Garde/Free jazz. I prefer fusion most though because it has this "rock" sensibility, has a slightly more electric sound, and more evolved compositions.

John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Pat Metheny, Chick Corea, Michael Brecker, Bill Evans (the pianist) are my favourites/personal heroes.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 19th, 2014, 2:12pm »

Don't know much about Jazz to be honest.
I remember many years ago seeing a jazz band on a boat in Gloucester Docks. I went with some friends who were big jazz fans and I think I lasted about an hour. Dunno how undecided It seemed to be one round of individual solos, as the crowd kept applauding, but I couldn't figure out why for the life of me rolleyes
Put me right off ever going again.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 19th, 2014, 2:33pm »

on Jan 19th, 2014, 2:12pm, Mal wrote:
Don't know much about Jazz to be honest.
I remember many years ago seeing a jazz band on a boat in Gloucester Docks. I went with some friends who were big jazz fans and I think I lasted about an hour. Dunno how undecided It seemed to be one round of individual solos, as the crowd kept applauding, but I couldn't figure out why for the life of me rolleyes
Put me right off ever going again.


Jazz police is a strange phenomenon. You are supposed to sit in the show like in a classical concert and you have to applaude every single solo to show your respect to the musicianship. rolleyes
That's another reason why I prefer fusion jazz, it's not just solo after solo, it leaves way more space for arrangement.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 19th, 2014, 2:48pm »

on Jan 19th, 2014, 2:33pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
Jazz police is a strange phenomenon. You are supposed to sit in the show like in a classical concert and you have to applaude every single solo to show your respect to the musicianship. rolleyes
That's another reason why I prefer fusion jazz, it's not just solo after solo, it leaves way more space for arrangement.

When you say "Jazz police", I assume you mean "Jazz etiquette"?
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 19th, 2014, 7:57pm »

on Jan 19th, 2014, 2:48pm, Down And Out wrote:
When you say "Jazz police", I assume you mean "Jazz etiquette"?

I mean people who attend concerts and who have strong opinions about what the music and people's behaviour is supposed to be, particularly, what it is not supposed to be. Purists. "Jazz police" and "music police" are common terms in German, don't know what they translate to. When you go to a traditional jazz concert you will always find members of the jazz police in the audience. They will give you mean looks when you don't applaude solos, when you shout "woo-hoo!" while applauding or when you start dancing to the music.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 20th, 2014, 12:50am »

Big fan of jazz here.

I think I like just about any type or style of the genre, with a few exceptions. For example, I have to say that I have never acquired a taste for jazz flute. It always seems to sound like Muzak to me. undecided

Anyway, some of my favorites:

Louis Armstrong
Duke Ellington
Oscar Peterson
Charles Mingus
John Coltrane
Billie Holiday
Dave Brubeck
Wynton & Branford Marsalis
Pat Metheny
Keith Jarrett
Sonny Rollins
Charlie Parker
Wayne Shorter
Stanley Clarke
Weather Report
Brand X
Bill Bruford
Return To Forever
Diana Krall
Patricia Barber
The Bad Plus
Medeski Martin & Wood
John Scofield
Bill Frisell
Etc...etc...etc...

But my all time favorite jazz artist is undoubtedly Miles Davis.

I had a chance to see Miles live a couple of times, the last being within the month he passed away. But the first time was one of the greatest music experiences of my life. Even though he was well past his prime, he could still create incredible music.

There are so many variations and styles of jazz, it's quite difficult to pin it down to simply one type of music. To some extent, I find that those who don't like jazz usually identify it with a particular stereotype. Ultimately, I think it's a kind of music that needs to be explored.



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« Reply #14 on: Jan 20th, 2014, 06:16am »

on Jan 20th, 2014, 12:50am, HENRY wrote:
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Brand X

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Thought crossed my mind to mention Brand X in my short list but wasn't sure if any jazz aficionados among us might be dismissive.
("that's not jazz, that's fusion") wink
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