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« Thread started on: May 3rd, 2016, 6:50pm »

http://www.goldfm.com.au/music/news/2016/5/is-this-the-greatest-festival-line-up-of-all-time/
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« Reply #1 on: May 3rd, 2016, 9:18pm »

on May 3rd, 2016, 6:50pm, Yild4Genesis wrote:
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I can only imagine what tix will cost. I heard all bands were going to get 7 Million each to perform but you couldn't pay me to see Dylan again. I saw him twice as recently as two years ago and the man needs to just retreat to his place in Malibu and call it a career. He's a legend no doubt but he is tarnishing his legacy by being so bad live,IMO.

I also wouldn't put a nickel into Roger Waters pockets but would definitely like to see the other four acts. Too bad for me Dylan/Waters aren't on the same night. I might've considered going to the other two.
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« Reply #2 on: May 4th, 2016, 12:18am »

Wow! What astronomical ticket prices!


on May 3rd, 2016, 9:18pm, ericm wrote:
I can only imagine what tix will cost. I heard all bands were going to get 7 Million each to perform but you couldn't pay me to see Dylan again. I saw him twice as recently as two years ago and the man needs to just retreat to his place in Malibu and call it a career. He's a legend no doubt but he is tarnishing his legacy by being so bad live,IMO.

I also wouldn't put a nickel into Roger Waters pockets but would definitely like to see the other four acts. Too bad for me Dylan/Waters aren't on the same night. I might've considered going to the other two.

I saw Dylan a couple of times as well in recent years. Frankly, I think he puts on a surprisingly good performance. Would like to see him again if I can. But I can't imagine his set being worth seeing in this type of mega festival.

People always seem to complain about a "cash grab" whenever an artist puts on a high priced tour or concert. Typically, I don't subscribe to that simplistic kind of reasoning. But this whole venture comes across as nothing more than a promoter driven profit generator targeted directly at well off members of the boomer generation. Three days of old guys sputtering out nostalgia. Oh boy.
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« Reply #3 on: May 4th, 2016, 07:41am »

on May 4th, 2016, 12:18am, HENRY wrote:
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I saw Dylan a couple of times as well in recent years. Frankly, I think he puts on a surprisingly good performance. Would like to see him again if I can. But I can't imagine his set being worth seeing in this type of mega festival.

People always seem to complain about a "cash grab" whenever an artist puts on a high priced tour or concert. Typically, I don't subscribe to that simplistic kind of reasoning. But this whole venture comes across as nothing more than a promoter driven profit generator targeted directly at well off members of the boomer generation. Three days of old guys sputtering out nostalgia. Oh boy.


Well Henry we'll just have to agree to disagree on Dylan.

When I saw him he never picked up a guitar once, looked like he was propped up behind his keyboard/piano and we could barely understand a word he was singing/saying. I gave him the benefit of the doubt figuring it was a one off but when I saw him again a couple of weeks later, it was pretty much the same thing. The sound was a bit better but I left about 1/3 of the way into his set. First concert I left early in I can't remember when. Thankfully the first two acts both nights were well worth the price of admission because to me Bob certainly wasn't. His band was pretty good though, I'll give him that. wink

I can't imagine him at this fest even coming close performance wise to what the Stones,Who, Neil, and Maccca will put on.

I saw this fest referred to as the "Steel Wheelchair" fest. grin
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« Reply #4 on: May 4th, 2016, 12:45pm »

on May 4th, 2016, 07:41am, ericm wrote:
I saw this fest referred to as the "Steel Wheelchair" fest. grin

That's about right.
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« Reply #5 on: May 4th, 2016, 8:56pm »

on May 4th, 2016, 07:41am, ericm wrote:
... we could barely understand a word he was singing/saying. ...


I consider myself a big Dylan fan.

But the one time I saw him live, in 1989, he essentially lived up to those indecipherable characterizations that I had always defended him against.

Even though I think he's released some great albums in the last couple of decades, I haven't had the desire to go see him in concert since that one time.

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« Reply #6 on: May 5th, 2016, 08:18am »

on May 4th, 2016, 12:18am, HENRY wrote:
Three days of old guys sputtering out nostalgia.

When I first found out about this a week or two ago, I thought the same. undecided
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on May 4th, 2016, 8:56pm, Witchwood wrote:
I consider myself a big Dylan fan.

But the one time I saw him live, in 1989, he essentially lived up to those indecipherable characterizations that I had always defended him against.

Even though I think he's released some great albums in the last couple of decades, I haven't had the desire to go see him in concert since that one time.

I probably saw Dylan initially around the same time that you did. I had a great seat for the show, 2nd row center. Yeah, he's not exactly a technically refined singer, but that's always been a given. On the other hand, I do think that he is an honestly emotional singer, which I believe has sustained him over the years.

The other thing about seeing Dylan live is that he always tours with great musicians. You always get a solid band behind him, which is a treat in itself.

His recent shows have a subdued quality to them. Kinda an old school folk/rock vibe with minimal, but stylistic, visuals. Again, I had a great seat for a more recent show, and I was completely fascinated with Dylan's performance. But at the same time, I enjoyed watching his eccentric manner of performing.
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« Reply #8 on: May 9th, 2016, 5:00pm »

on May 4th, 2016, 12:18am, HENRY wrote:
People always seem to complain about a "cash grab" whenever an artist puts on a high priced tour or concert. Typically, I don't subscribe to that simplistic kind of reasoning. But this whole venture comes across as nothing more than a promoter driven profit generator targeted directly at well off members of the boomer generation. Three days of old guys sputtering out nostalgia. Oh boy.


Isn't any tour/show a cash grab? Artists play these shows to make money. If it was just about the joy of live music, they would play for themselves or play for fans on a cost recovery model.

Also, having seen The Who and McCartney in the past year and Waters relatively recently, I can say that they all performed very well and seemed quite engaged musically and with the audience. So while they are definitely focusing on nostalgia, I think "sputtering" is a bit unfair.
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« Reply #9 on: May 10th, 2016, 2:58pm »

Apparently the show sold out in record time. Hopefully there will be a DVD..
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« Reply #10 on: May 10th, 2016, 4:05pm »

Will the set consist of pyramids and sand, and will they all rise from sarcophagi? grin Will the MC be Brendan Fraser? laugh
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« Reply #11 on: May 11th, 2016, 10:18pm »

on May 9th, 2016, 5:00pm, Dr. John wrote:
Isn't any tour/show a cash grab?

No. It's a job, just as much as any other job, with income being dependent upon demand (popularity), scale of the tour, costs of logistics, and day to day expenditures, etc. Touring in itself won't necessarily make an artist or band rich, though it can have the potential of generating a pretty good income. Then again, I'm not an accountant within the entertainment industry.

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Artists play these shows to make money. If it was just about the joy of live music, they would play for themselves or play for fans on a cost recovery model.

But of course it can be about both. I know that you do understand that.

As I mention above, this is what they do for a living, and I have no qualms about paying the price of admission to support artists that I like.
What usually bothers me are criticisms about ticket pricing that are typically unfounded.

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Also, having seen The Who and McCartney in the past year and Waters relatively recently, I can say that they all performed very well and seemed quite engaged musically and with the audience. So while they are definitely focusing on nostalgia, I think "sputtering" is a bit unfair.

I have seen all of these artists in recent years, except for The Who (which I genuinely can't convince myself to go see because Townsend and Daltrey seem to be mere shadows of their former selves and the band they represent). They are all great musicians and performers in their own right, and for the most part they are worth going to see live (Waters' show, though impressive from a technical aspect, wasn't so much a rock concert as it was a theatrical event, so a bit underwhelming in terms of plain musicianship). But let's face the reality here...most of these artists are in the last legs of their careers (I think Neil Young likely has another good decade left in him; I don't know about Waters because my only relatively recent exposure to him...my only one, come to think of it...was him singing a 30 yr old album), and even many long time fans recognize the limitations of their performances.

This series of shows are tailored simply to attract a fairly specific audience, one with an income base that can easily accommodate the prime ticket prices and deluxe packages. It's purely a business venture in which the artists were more than likely recruited with a guaranteed lucrative payday. I get that. Good for the artists, and apparently a very successful enterprise by the promoter. But let's just recognize it for what it is, a money generator.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12th, 2016, 12:00pm »

on May 11th, 2016, 10:18pm, HENRY wrote:
No. It's a job, just as much as any other job, with income being dependent upon demand (popularity), scale of the tour, costs of logistics, and day to day expenditures, etc. Touring in itself won't necessarily make an artist or band rich, though it can have the potential of generating a pretty good income.


I agree with all of the above. I just felt "cash grab" was implying something crass about putting on a show to make money, which is how musicians earn a living. (Now admittedly, the musicians in question here are probably not hurting for income.)

on May 11th, 2016, 10:18pm, HENRY wrote:
I have seen all of these artists in recent years, except for The Who (which I genuinely can't convince myself to go see because Townsend and Daltrey seem to be mere shadows of their former selves and the band they represent). They are all great musicians and performers in their own right, and for the most part they are worth going to see live (Waters' show, though impressive from a technical aspect, wasn't so much a rock concert as it was a theatrical event, so a bit underwhelming in terms of plain musicianship). But let's face the reality here...most of these artists are in the last legs of their careers (I think Neil Young likely has another good decade left in him; I don't know about Waters because my only relatively recent exposure to him...my only one, come to think of it...was him singing a 30 yr old album), and even many long time fans recognize the limitations of their performances.


There's no denying that these performers are not at their peaks (although Daltrey is actually singing better than he ever did from the 80s onwards). However, many of these artists in their twilight years can still deliver something emotionally and musically that easily competes with many of the contemporary performances out there. Not on this bill, but Stevie Wonder put on easily the best musical performance I have seen in years - no need for an asterisk or excuse about his age.

on May 11th, 2016, 10:18pm, HENRY wrote:
This series of shows are tailored simply to attract a fairly specific audience, one with an income base that can easily accommodate the prime ticket prices and deluxe packages. It's purely a business venture in which the artists were more than likely recruited with a guaranteed lucrative payday. I get that. Good for the artists, and apparently a very successful enterprise by the promoter. But let's just recognize it for what it is, a money generator.


Agree, but what's the difference between this event and most other major music festival? Just the price point, right?
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