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xx Wrong/extra/missing track divisions - on vinyl
« Thread started on: Sep 8th, 2017, 09:34am »

We've talked occasionally about wrong track divisions on CDs around here (i.e., "Fly On A Windshield" / "Broadway Melody"), but here's some odd track divisions I've seen on my old vinyl records. Has anyone seen any others on Genesis-related records?

Genesis / Seconds Out
My copy had "Dance On A Volcano" and "Los Endos" together in the same track. (Come to think of it, I've never been sure which of the two songs the brief drum duet in between was supposed to be considered part of.)

Genesis / Three Sides Live
My U.S. copy had a track division after "In The Cage" and lumped the rest of the medley into one track with "Afterglow" (which was listed with a time of 8:34).
My U.K. copy had "In The Cage" thru "Afterglow" as one long track.

Ant / The Geese & The Ghost
My copy has all of side 2, except the brief "Chinese Mushroom Cloud," as one long track.

Ant / 1984
On copies I've seen, "1984 - Part 1" has an unnecessary track division at about 16:25 because of there being a brief silence there. (Part 2 is also divided into two tracks, in spite of being listed as one track, but this is appropriate as it actually sounds like two tracks.)

Steve / Voyage Of The Acolyte
My copy had the division between "A Tower Struck Down" and "Hands Of The Priestess (Part 2)" too early, coming right after the explosion sound instead of at the brief silence in between. (I didn't even know where the track division was actually supposed to be until I got the CD.)
Other copies I've seen had most of "Shadow Of The Hierophant" on the same track as "The Lovers," with the belated track division being placed at the beginning of the final section (slow buildup & fade). "Lovers" and "Shadow" were accordingly listed as 8:59 and 5:23. (They were even listed this way on my copy, where the actual track division on side 2 was correct.)

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xx Re: Wrong/extra/missing track divisions - on vinyl
« Reply #1 on: Sep 11th, 2017, 07:23am »

It's funny that you should mention these.

My copy of 'Foxtrot' has a strange track division on 'Watcher Of The Skies'. The second track "banding" seems to start at the beginning of the morse code section in the finale.

This is a UK Charisma distributed by Phonogram, i brought it up on the old Genesis forum and nobody had noticed it before on their copy. There must be more than one copy like this as I can imagine phonogram pressed 100's of these with the same stamper.
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xx Re: Wrong/extra/missing track divisions - on vinyl
« Reply #2 on: Sep 11th, 2017, 1:34pm »

on Sep 11th, 2017, 07:23am, stagnation wrote:
The second track "banding"

Thanks, you just reminded me of another one:

Steve / Defector
My copy has "Slogans" split into two roughly equal tracks (breaking somewhere around "beware the mighty Magnotron"), followed by "Leaving" and "Two Vamps as Guests" combined into one track.
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xx Re: Wrong/extra/missing track divisions - on vinyl
« Reply #3 on: Sep 11th, 2017, 3:19pm »

on Sep 8th, 2017, 09:34am, onetwothree wrote:
Genesis / Seconds Out
My copy had "Dance On A Volcano" and "Los Endos" together in the same track. (Come to think of it, I've never been sure which of the two songs the brief drum duet in between was supposed to be considered part of.)

I'm not sure that I follow what you're saying here. Are you referring to the listing on the cover or label, or are you talking about the actual LP tracking?
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xx Re: Wrong/extra/missing track divisions - on vinyl
« Reply #4 on: Sep 12th, 2017, 06:17am »

on Sep 8th, 2017, 09:34am, onetwothree wrote:
Steve / Voyage Of The Acolyte
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Other copies I've seen had most of "Shadow Of The Hierophant" on the same track as "The Lovers," with the belated track division being placed at the beginning of the final section (slow buildup & fade). "Lovers" and "Shadow" were accordingly listed as 8:59 and 5:23. (They were even listed this way on my copy, where the actual track division on side 2 was correct.)



My version has this incorrect track division, but there aren't any track times listed anywhere on the record or sleeve.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 12th, 2017, 07:13am »

on Sep 11th, 2017, 3:19pm, HENRY wrote:
I'm not sure that I follow what you're saying here. Are you referring to the listing on the cover or label, or are you talking about the actual LP tracking?

I'm referring to the lack of a track division between the songs on the physical LP, even though they were listed on the cover & label as separate songs.

As for the drum duet, my LP copy had times listed for "Dance" and "Los" which implied that it wasn't actually being counted as part of either. (BTW, the times listed in the Wikipedia entry for SECONDS OUT imply that it belongs to "Dance.")

on Sep 12th, 2017, 06:17am, Merryman72 wrote:
My version has this incorrect track division, but there aren't any track times listed anywhere on the record or sleeve.

I'm generally referring to U.S. copies here, which I think are more likely to have track times listed than ones from other places.
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xx Re: Wrong/extra/missing track divisions - on vinyl
« Reply #6 on: Sep 13th, 2017, 11:17am »

on Sep 12th, 2017, 07:13am, onetwothree wrote:
I'm referring to the lack of a track division between the songs on the physical LP, even though they were listed on the cover & label as separate songs.

As for the drum duet, my LP copy had times listed for "Dance" and "Los" which implied that it wasn't actually being counted as part of either. (BTW, the times listed in the Wikipedia entry for SECONDS OUT imply that it belongs to "Dance.")

Ah, I see now. I assumed that those songs weren't separated because the original version of the album was like that.

The 'DOAV/drum duet/Los Endos' piece is one continuous performance, so it's likely that it was originally intended to be presented that way on the LP. There just wouldn't have been any particular reason to do it otherwise.

(When CDs came out it was straightforward and easy to index each title separately. However, it was typical to automatically add a few seconds of silence between the end of one song and the start of another as a separator, but sometimes that created an odd gap where no such gap was intended.)

It seems that later issues of Seconds Out were mastered with extra spacing between the grooves at the transition points of 'DOAV/drum duet/Los Endos'. I'm assuming that in the post CD age it's thought that folks might want to cue up the individual pieces, so the grooves were spaced out to allow someone to easily see where those points are. Technically, it's still one track. I have a copy of both an older pressing and a newer one, so I now understand exactly what you are referring to.

Also, the drum duet isn't an official song and has no official title on the LP. It's simply a transition piece between "Dance" and "Los". The time listings for some LP versions are a bit misleading. For the CD indexing, the drum duet is part of DOAV because there is no specific ID given for it and the next listed title starts at "Los Endos", which also has a brief, natural pause before it starts, making more sense to place an index marker at that point.

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