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I didn't know this until just now but my Dad just told me that the style of music Genesis liked to play was actually forbidden in the Charterhouse School - so much so, that Mike got his guitar confiscated for an entire term while being caught playing it there! shocked

All this time I pictured the band rehearsing early versions of the FGTR tracks (plus the outtakes that can be found on Archive 1967-75), but unless my Dad is mistaken, they weren't even allowed to play their instruments there apart from classical music during appropriate times.

So I have a question: Apart from attending that school, why is Genesis so heavily connected with Charterhouse, when their music was forbidden there? Did the faculty eventually let them rehearse there? Are the really early photos of the band from Charterhouse?

My Dad found this out while at a Book of Genesis gig at Charterhouse last week, by the way.
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« Reply #1 on: Jun 10th, 2017, 7:53pm »

It wasn't something unique to Charterhouse, most public schools in Britain had the same rules. You have to remember this was the mid to late sixties, rock was in its infancy. It was seen by adults as anti-establishment. It was only main stream to the youth. Similar stories are told by most people of that age. Roger Waters and Pink Floyd dedicated a whole album to it
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 10th, 2017, 8:37pm »

I think Charterhouse represents the place where they bonded and cultivated their shared interests in music and formed a lasting relationship.
I suspect there may have been an aspect of rebellion against the staid authority of their school masters.

Tony and Peter used to steal away to the music room where they would play Beatles and R&B tunes, and from what I’ve read they had to be reminded a number of times the piano was there for the classical music students to practice on.

According to Armando Gallo’s book, the school reluctantly allowed the boys to organize a year-end concert where The Anon and The Garden Wall performed cover songs by The Stones and Otis Redding.

Charterhouse played an important role, if for anything, bringing Tony, Peter, Ant and Mike together.
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 11th, 2017, 01:38am »

on Jun 10th, 2017, 12:48pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
So I have a question: Apart from attending that school, why is Genesis so heavily connected with Charterhouse, when their music was forbidden there? Did the faculty eventually let them rehearse there? Are the really early photos of the band from Charterhouse?

Charterhouse represents where the members of what was to become a famous band first met and started their careers. They have talked about their experiences associated with it many times, and it is common to refer to their association with the school in various biographies. As well, Jonathan King, who had acquired some noteriety on his own in music, and a Charterhouse alumni, gave them their first shot in the music business.
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 11th, 2017, 04:56am »

on Jun 10th, 2017, 8:37pm, Witchwood wrote:
According to Armando Gallo’s book, the school reluctantly allowed the boys to organize a year-end concert where The Anon and The Garden Wall performed cover songs by The Stones and Otis Redding.


If anything this is the part that surprised me the most. All sources tell of many bands between all the school boys, the later Genesis boys were by far not the only ones who formed rock or jazz bands. How did they even get to play in bands in the walls of Charterhouse in the first place and how did they get allowed to perform on school events? Mike tells in his book he was lucky to stand beside the spotlight on stage so his teachers would not see him. On the one hand the school was so restrictive against any "rebellious" music, on the other hand they were liberal enough to let them build their bands and perform? Or did the teachers let control slip out of their hands?

On a sidenote, I currently work as a piano player in a school and I am taking piano lessons again; my current piano teacher is, you wouldn't believe it, so old-school he believes any form of music other than classical music to lead people to criminal actions no matter what. Yes, in the 21st century when you'd think these views belong to the past.
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 11th, 2017, 09:52am »

There are some interesting details about the Charterhouse days in this documentary, beginning around 1:25.


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« Reply #6 on: Jun 12th, 2017, 4:53pm »

Thanks for the info, all.
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 13th, 2017, 03:41am »

on Jun 11th, 2017, 09:52am, StarOfSirius wrote:
There are some interesting details about the Charterhouse days in this documentary, beginning around 1:25.




Question: At 13:55, there is a black and white picture that shows six band members. The sixth one who sits to the right and holds a guitar left-handedly, is that Jonathan King?

And on a sidenote, I really enjoyed watching this, I've seen it before but it is always nice to re-watch as well - except for how they skip Selling England as an album in its own right. Yea, here's Foxtrot, a milestone in their discography - then they put out a live a album and some other random studio album - and then: the one and only glorious fantastic impressive The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway! tongue
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[quote author=Schrottrocker link=board=news&num=1497116886&start=7#0 date=1497343308]

Question: At 13:55, there is a black and white picture that shows six band members. The sixth one who sits to the right and holds a guitar left-handedly, is that Jonathan King?

And on a sidenote, I really enjoyed watching this, I've seen it before but it is always nice to re-watch as well - except for how they skip Selling England as an album in its own right. Yea, here's Foxtrot, a milestone in their discography - then they put out a live a album and some other random studio album - and then: the one and only glorious fantastic impressive The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway! tongue]

Chapter and Verse has that photo from The East Grinstead Courier. It's Tony Hill-Smith
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« Reply #9 on: Jun 13th, 2017, 06:10am »

on Jun 10th, 2017, 12:48pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
I didn't know this until just now but my Dad just told me that the style of music Genesis liked to play was actually forbidden in the Charterhouse School - so much so, that Mike got his guitar confiscated for an entire term while being caught playing it there! shocked

All this time I pictured the band rehearsing early versions of the FGTR tracks (plus the outtakes that can be found on Archive 1967-75), but unless my Dad is mistaken, they weren't even allowed to play their instruments there apart from classical music during appropriate times.

So I have a question: Apart from attending that school, why is Genesis so heavily connected with Charterhouse, when their music was forbidden there? Did the faculty eventually let them rehearse there? Are the really early photos of the band from Charterhouse?

My Dad found this out while at a Book of Genesis gig at Charterhouse last week, by the way.


It's something of an exaggeration to say that they were prevented from playing their instruments there, although it appears different Houses applied the rules to a greater or lesser degree, hence Rutherford's different treatment to the rest of them.

It's certainly the case that it wasn't encouraged by those in charge and this led the band to practising in private whenever possible. But there was a reasonably healthy pop music scene happening within the school limits which resulted in 2 end of term concerts in 1966 and 1967.

The demo of The Silent Sun was written and recorded in the school dining hall and I'm sure there are other examples of their early song writing that were clearly created at school.



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« Reply #10 on: Jun 13th, 2017, 07:53am »

on Jun 13th, 2017, 04:55am, Yild4Genesis wrote:
At 13:55, there is a black and white picture that shows six band members. The sixth one who sits to the right and holds a guitar left-handedly, is that Jonathan King?
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Chapter and Verse has that photo from The East Grinstead Courier. It's Tony Hill-Smith

I've wondered about that same picture from ARCHIVE 1. Is the 5th member John Mayhew?
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« Reply #11 on: Jun 13th, 2017, 2:25pm »

on Jun 13th, 2017, 06:10am, MicSmith wrote:
It's something of an exaggeration to say that they were prevented from playing their instruments there, although it appears different Houses applied the rules to a greater or lesser degree, hence Rutherford's different treatment to the rest of them.

It's certainly the case that it wasn't encouraged by those in charge and this led the band to practising in private whenever possible. But there was a reasonably healthy pop music scene happening within the school limits which resulted in 2 end of term concerts in 1966 and 1967.

The demo of The Silent Sun was written and recorded in the school dining hall and I'm sure there are other examples of their early song writing that were clearly created at school.

Very true. It wasn't as though it was some sort of strict prison with penalties for playing music that was generally discouraged. They've talked about playing at school on various occasions.
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on Jun 13th, 2017, 07:53am, onetwothree wrote:
I've wondered about that same picture from ARCHIVE 1. Is the 5th member John Mayhew?


Nope, Brian Roberts, from Charterhouse. He recorded their demos
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« Reply #13 on: Jun 14th, 2017, 06:45am »

on Jun 13th, 2017, 3:40pm, Yild4Genesis wrote:
Nope, Brian Roberts, from Charterhouse. He recorded their demos

Ah, OK. So the band was between drummers at this time?

So... Mayhew is indeed the only one of the early drummers not depicted in the ARCHIVE 1 packaging.
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