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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by boredatwork on Nov 26th, 2014, 07:29am

Has anyone voted for the 2015 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nominees?:
http://rockhall.com/voting/2015-rock-hall-nominees-fan-vote/

As usual 80% of them are American, but it’s a pleasant surprise to see the Smiths & Kraftwerk nominated at last. shocked
If they both get in, I’ll take the RRHOF a little more seriously in future.

The other non-American nominee - Sting - is less surprising, but all 3 get my vote.

Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by John Wilkinson on Nov 26th, 2014, 10:27am

on Nov 26th, 2014, 07:29am, boredatwork wrote:
Has anyone voted for the 2015 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nominees?:
http://rockhall.com/voting/2015-rock-hall-nominees-fan-vote/

As usual 80% of them are American, but it’s a pleasant surprise to see the Smiths & Kraftwerk nominated at last. shocked
If they both get in, I’ll take the RRHOF a little more seriously in future.

The other non-American nominee - Sting - is less surprising, but all 3 get my vote.


Who the hell are the Paul Butterfield Blues Band?

Sound like a "turn" down local working men's club.....

I must be getting old but also WTF have Chic to do with Rock and Roll?

I will never take them seriously at all...and nor will other Deep Purple fans wink

Best wishes

John
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by boredatwork on Nov 26th, 2014, 10:53am

on Nov 26th, 2014, 10:27am, John Wilkinson wrote:
Who the hell are the Paul Butterfield Blues Band?

Sound like a "turn" down local working men's club.....


I’d never heard of them either, but I get the impression that any working men's club band in America would be admitted in preference to a genuinely pioneering European band like Kraftwerk......

As for Chic, they’ve been nominated in previous years - & rejected grin

Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by foxfeeder on Nov 26th, 2014, 11:19am

on Nov 26th, 2014, 10:27am, John Wilkinson wrote:
Who the hell are the Paul Butterfield Blues Band?

Sound like a "turn" down local working men's club.....

I must be getting old but also WTF have Chic to do with Rock and Roll?

I will never take them seriously at all...and nor will other Deep Purple fans wink

Best wishes

John


You're kidding, right? The opening track & title track of Steve Hackett's "Blues with a feeling" album are covers of tracks from one of their albums (which, in turn etc......). Comin' home to the Blues name checks him.

Agree about Chic though! wink

PS: The Spinners = The Detroit Spiiners in the UK. Not the folk guys with the white jumpers! grin
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by CountingOutTime on Nov 26th, 2014, 12:16pm

on Nov 26th, 2014, 10:27am, John Wilkinson wrote:
Who the hell are the Paul Butterfield Blues Band?

Sound like a "turn" down local working men's club.....

I must be getting old but also WTF have Chic to do with Rock and Roll?

I will never take them seriously at all...and nor will other Deep Purple fans wink

Best wishes

John


The Paul Butterfield Blues Band was around here in the states in the mid '60s. They were somewhat popular in England as well, after joining forces with John Mayall and The Bluesbreakers.

If you've heard of Elvin Bishop ("Fooled Around And Fell In Love"), he too was in the Paul Butterfield band.

Saxophone player, David Sanborn, also was in the band.

Paul Butterfield also joined The Band onstage for a couple of numbers during "The Last Waltz," their final performance together.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by Witchwood on Nov 26th, 2014, 12:26pm

on Nov 26th, 2014, 10:27am, John Wilkinson wrote:
Who the hell are the Paul Butterfield Blues Band?

Sound like a "turn" down local working men's club.....

...


Hugely popular American blues band during the 1960s, particularly the first two albums when the lineup featured guitarists Mike Bloomfield and Elvin Bishop trading off solos with Butterfield on harmonica.
Butterfield was highly respected for his powerful sound, very much in the vein of blues legends Little Walter and Jr. Wells.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by NoSonOfVine on Nov 26th, 2014, 3:20pm

No Yes, Deep Purple, or Iron Maiden. Again.

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Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by John Wilkinson on Nov 27th, 2014, 09:19am

on Nov 26th, 2014, 11:19am, foxfeeder wrote:
You're kidding, right? The opening track & title track of Steve Hackett's "Blues with a feeling" album are covers of tracks from one of their albums (which, in turn etc......). Comin' home to the Blues name checks him.

Agree about Chic though! wink

PS: The Spinners = The Detroit Spiiners in the UK. Not the folk guys with the white jumpers! grin


I am enlightened thanks guys.... kiss

Still don't like the Blues though and "Blues With A Feeling" is second only to "Till We Have Faces" on my all time worst Steve albums..... rolleyes lipsrsealed

Best wishes

John
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by John Wilkinson on Nov 27th, 2014, 09:21am

on Nov 26th, 2014, 3:20pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
No Yes, Deep Purple, or Iron Maiden. Again.

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TOTALLY AGREE....

Shameful that these ignored AGAIN....... but Mr Blackmore said he wouldn't attend even if Purple got inducted....... rolleyes

Best wishes

John
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by Witchwood on Nov 27th, 2014, 5:15pm

I don't know if the online choices carry any weight but I voted for Kraftwerk and Paul Butterfield.
If I had cast a third vote, it would have gone to SRV but I thought he'll get enough votes from others, he doesn't need my support.
After I clicked, I noted Stevie Ray was comfortably in the lead while, predictably, Kraftwerk was near the bottom.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by HENRY on Nov 28th, 2014, 3:44pm

Ah well, the annual handwringing over the R&RHOF inductees is in full swing I see, so I suppose it's time for me to offer up my yearly rant. Alrighty then...

The R&RHOF is essentially a product and licence of Rolling Stone magazine. There is no grand and sacred doctrine which guides the selection process beyond a few objective stipulations. The approach for choosing candidates revolves largely around the American music scene in history, influence, and popularity. It's not about what or who you think is deserving of merit. Anyone who was around in the 70's & 80's and followed RS to any extent shouldn't be surprised by the typical nominees that come up for possible induction. It's largely about American music culture, so that Italian prog band from the 70's you think is beyond brilliant doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hell of being recognized.

As far as this year's nominees go, it's really not too bad of a group. My personal top picks would be The Marvelettes, The Spinners, Lou Reed, and The Smiths, although I'm thinking that last one might not make it this time around. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sting, Stevie Ray and War getting in.

I think a lot of people make too much of this. Sure, it's nice to see one's favorite band or performer get recognized in this way, but it's not really a big deal.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by boredatwork on Nov 28th, 2014, 5:20pm

on Nov 28th, 2014, 3:44pm, HENRY wrote:
The R&RHOF is essentially a product and licence of Rolling Stone magazine. There is no grand and sacred doctrine which guides the selection process beyond a few objective stipulations. The approach for choosing candidates revolves largely around the American music scene in history, influence, and popularity. It's not about what or who you think is deserving of merit. Anyone who was around in the 70's & 80's and followed RS to any extent shouldn't be surprised by the typical nominees that come up for possible induction. It's largely about American music culture, so that Italian prog band from the 70's you think is beyond brilliant doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hell of being recognized.....


..... and as for that vastly influential, important & pioneering but - fatally for their chances in this context - German synth band, well they certainly haven’t. I’m amazed they even got nominated.

I only became aware of the RRHOF when I read about Genesis being admitted a couple of years back. They (the band) & PG individually this year did seem to set great store by getting in, perhaps because any non-Americans have to be exceptionally meritorious to make it?

I can’t recall ever hearing of Stevie Ray Vaughan or Paul Butterfield. Joan Jett, yes. And of course Lou Reed, who must be a dead cert to get in now (no pun intended!).


Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by Schrottrocker on Nov 28th, 2014, 5:40pm

I'm surprised you never heard of Stevie Ray Vaughan before? He is one of the very few blues guitarists whose name is well-known outside of blues circles. I knew him by name because I "heard of him" long before I ever knew any of his songs, that I got covered when I purchased the From Dusk Till Dawn soundtrack.

We had the discussion about the relevance of the RRHOF before, naturally everybody whose favourite artists are not inducted will claim he doesn't give a damn about that institution. grin Anyways, I wonder how this institution turned into something people hang so much emotions on. Was it the music press that made this museum such a myth (the olymp of rock and pop music)?
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by Dr. John on Nov 28th, 2014, 7:06pm

Not much love for Chic here it appears - great funk band and very influential I think.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by HENRY on Nov 28th, 2014, 9:55pm

on Nov 28th, 2014, 5:20pm, boredatwork wrote:
..... and as for that vastly influential, important & pioneering but - fatally for their chances in this context - German synth band, well they certainly haven’t. I’m amazed they even got nominated.

You would be incorrect with that assumption.

Kraftwerk have had a prominent level of recognition and success in North America, and their role in pioneering the subsequent synth era has been countlessly referred to for many years. I'd be surprised if they didn't get inducted.

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I only became aware of the RRHOF when I read about Genesis being admitted a couple of years back. They (the band) & PG individually this year did seem to set great store by getting in, perhaps because any non-Americans have to be exceptionally meritorious to make it?

Not really. Historically, British bands have always looked to succeed in America, and many have managed to do so. Both Genesis & PG achieved that, and although not a big surprise, it would only seem normal to be appreciative of the recognition. But being foreign isn't in itself a deterrent to recognition, it's just a little easier for artists that are already here.

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I can’t recall ever hearing of Stevie Ray Vaughan...

I find that surprising, but if you have little interest in blues then it's more likely that you wouldn't have paid much attention to anyone in that genre. Vaughan was quite highly regarded in his day, and I think that his induction is a given.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by HENRY on Nov 28th, 2014, 10:11pm

on Nov 28th, 2014, 7:06pm, Dr. John wrote:
Not much love for Chic here it appears - great funk band and very influential I think.

Oh yeah, they certainly had an impact in their heyday, but I wonder if they have enough of a legacy for recognition into the HOF.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by NoSonOfVine on Nov 29th, 2014, 06:11am

I just find it astounding that none of Yes, Deep Purple or Iron Maiden have been considered. All three of them are hugely influential in their respective genres. Yes was a massive progressive rock pioneer. Deep Purple are considered one of the greatest hard rock bands of all time, and the opening riff in Smoke On The Water is probably the most well-known riff in rock music history. And Iron Maiden are easily heavy metal's most successful group, leading the NWOBHM movement and having played over 2000 live shows. All three of them should have been inducted into the Hall Of Fame since the first years they were eligible, in my opinion.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by boredatwork on Nov 29th, 2014, 06:18am

on Nov 28th, 2014, 9:55pm, HENRY wrote:
Kraftwerk have had a prominent level of recognition and success in North America, and their role in pioneering the subsequent synth era has been countlessly referred to for many years. I'd be surprised if they didn't get inducted.

Let's hope you're right. They certainly deserve it.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by boredatwork on Nov 29th, 2014, 06:23am

on Nov 28th, 2014, 10:11pm, HENRY wrote:
Oh yeah, they certainly had an impact in their heyday, but I wonder if they have enough of a legacy for recognition into the HOF.

They don’t. Known only for “Le Freak”, here at least. If the RRHOF wants more deserving disco acts, the Bee Gees & the Jacksons are in already.

If Nile Rodgers individually was nominated he’d probably fare much better than Chic, given his work with other artists. Not keen on him myself, but he was certainly influential, if only in making everyone from Bowie to Duran Duran sound exactly like Nile Rodgers - & that's no mean feat, though whether it's commendable is another matter rolleyes
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by Witchwood on Nov 29th, 2014, 06:34am

on Nov 29th, 2014, 06:11am, NoSonOfVine wrote:
...
And Iron Maiden are easily heavy metal's most successful group...


More successful than Black Sabbath?
Not by a long shot.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by foxfeeder on Nov 29th, 2014, 11:42am

on Nov 28th, 2014, 5:40pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
I'm surprised you never heard of Stevie Ray Vaughan before? He is one of the very few blues guitarists whose name is well-known outside of blues circles. I knew him by name because I "heard of him" long before I ever knew any of his songs, that I got covered when I purchased the From Dusk Till Dawn soundtrack.

We had the discussion about the relevance of the RRHOF before, naturally everybody whose favourite artists are not inducted will claim he doesn't give a damn about that institution. grin Anyways, I wonder how this institution turned into something people hang so much emotions on. Was it the music press that made this museum such a myth (the olymp of rock and pop music)?


Although I've heard of SRV, his profile in the UK is very low. Rightly or wrongly!
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by foxfeeder on Nov 29th, 2014, 11:44am

on Nov 28th, 2014, 3:44pm, HENRY wrote:
Ah well, the annual handwringing over the R&RHOF inductees is in full swing I see, so I suppose it's time for me to offer up my yearly rant. Alrighty then...

The R&RHOF is essentially a product and licence of Rolling Stone magazine. There is no grand and sacred doctrine which guides the selection process beyond a few objective stipulations. The approach for choosing candidates revolves largely around the American music scene in history, influence, and popularity. It's not about what or who you think is deserving of merit. Anyone who was around in the 70's & 80's and followed RS to any extent shouldn't be surprised by the typical nominees that come up for possible induction. It's largely about American music culture, so that Italian prog band from the 70's you think is beyond brilliant doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hell of being recognized.

As far as this year's nominees go, it's really not too bad of a group. My personal top picks would be The Marvelettes, The Spinners, Lou Reed, and The Smiths, although I'm thinking that last one might not make it this time around. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sting, Stevie Ray and War getting in.

I think a lot of people make too much of this. Sure, it's nice to see one's favorite band or performer get recognized in this way, but it's not really a big deal.


All valid points, I would agree, but one glaring omission given their impact on American Music Culture remains: The Moody Blues. Doesn't bother me, but it sure seems odd.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by alanh on Dec 2nd, 2014, 05:28am

Hi there


The Paul Butterfield Blues Band were a major influence on Mr Hackett and a damn fine band of their time. At least as deserving as some of the sh!t that gets into the HoF these days.



Alan H
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by The Cosmic Lawnmower on Dec 2nd, 2014, 06:37am

on Nov 28th, 2014, 7:06pm, Dr. John wrote:
Not much love for Chic here it appears - great funk band and very influential I think.


Perhaps not surprising rolleyes, however I agree with you Dr John, they had a very distinct and influential sound and Bernard Edwards was a monster bass player.
Just for the record they were known for a lot more than just 'Le Freak' in the UK
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by boredatwork on Dec 2nd, 2014, 07:50am

on Dec 2nd, 2014, 06:37am, The Cosmic Lawnmower wrote:
Perhaps not surprising rolleyes, however I agree with you Dr John, they had a very distinct and influential sound and Bernard Edwards was a monster bass player.
Just for the record they were known for a lot more than just 'Le Freak' in the UK

Sorry, that was me being inaccurate. I should have said Chic were known for producing one memorable song (“Le Freak”) plus a load of others that all sounded exactly the same, under their own name & that of other acts like Sister Sledge.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by HENRY on Dec 2nd, 2014, 10:57am

on Nov 29th, 2014, 11:44am, foxfeeder wrote:
All valid points, I would agree, but one glaring omission given their impact on American Music Culture remains: The Moody Blues. Doesn't bother me, but it sure seems odd.

Not odd at all if you're familiar with Rolling Stone and the prevailing American music culture of the late 60's and 70's.

Simply put, prog/symphonic/art rock, or whatever you want to call it, just didn't have as high a profile in American music culture as more blues based and mainstream pop/rock music. Prog was a more European thing, and most prog bands didn't achieve much more than cult status over here. Plus, there was a certain distain for anything prog in the American music media. Arguably the two biggest and most influential magazines of the time, Rolling Stone and Creem, rarely featured prog related bands or music, although Circus magazine did have the occasional article whenever certain bands released new albums or toured.

There was a story circulating a few years ago regarding the selection process for the RRHOF (not sure if it is actually true). The Moody Blues were apparently being considered for nomination, but Jann Wenner, RS co-founder & publisher, laughed off the suggestion. Seems he personally had no interest in the band and didn't view them as worthy of recognition.

The strange thing is, The Moody Blues did have enough of a following in North America to allow them to do reasonably well from a commercial standpoint, having a couple of No. 1 albums plus the fairly popular Days Of Future Past. Despite that, their representation in the media at the time was relatively low.

I do agree that they deserve the recognition, along with bands like King Crimson, Yes, and ELP, but it might take a little while for the powers that be to come around to that realization.

Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by The Cosmic Lawnmower on Dec 3rd, 2014, 07:13am

on Dec 2nd, 2014, 07:50am, boredatwork wrote:
Sorry, that was me being inaccurate. I should have said Chic were known for producing one memorable song (“Le Freak”) plus a load of others that all sounded exactly the same, under their own name & that of other acts like Sister Sledge.


So I'm guessing you don't much like Chic then, fair enough, but to be clear they had a good little run of hits in the UK between Nov '77 & Dec '79, whether any particular song was 'memorable' is surely subjective, but I would have thought most people would at least be aware of 'Good Times' as well.

Dance Dance Dance (Yowsah Yowsah Yowsah) No6
Everybody Dance No9
Le Freak No7
I Want Your Love No4
Good Times No5
My Forbidden Lover No15
My Feet Keep Dancing No21

Whether they all sound exactly the same is again down to the listeners ear, if it's not your bag I can understand how it might, to me they're all different but have the overall Chic sound.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by Dust on Dec 3rd, 2014, 1:45pm

on Dec 3rd, 2014, 07:13am, The Cosmic Lawnmower wrote:
So I'm guessing you don't much like Chic then, fair enough, but to be clear they had a good little run of hits in the UK between Nov '77 & Dec '79, whether any particular song was 'memorable' is surely subjective, but I would have thought most people would at least be aware of 'Good Times' as well.

Dance Dance Dance (Yowsah Yowsah Yowsah) No6
Everybody Dance No9
Le Freak No7
I Want Your Love No4
Good Times No5
My Forbidden Lover No15
My Feet Keep Dancing No21

Whether they all sound exactly the same is again down to the listeners ear, if it's not your bag I can understand how it might, to me they're all different but have the overall Chic sound.

"Good Times" was a humungous (#1) hit in the USA. In its day it was as ubiquitous a dance party song as "Celebrate" or "Staying Alive" or "Dancing Queen."
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by boredatwork on Dec 3rd, 2014, 2:38pm

on Dec 3rd, 2014, 07:13am, The Cosmic Lawnmower wrote:
So I'm guessing you don't much like Chic then, fair enough, but to be clear they had a good little run of hits in the UK between Nov '77 & Dec '79, whether any particular song was 'memorable' is surely subjective, but I would have thought most people would at least be aware of 'Good Times' as well.

Dance Dance Dance (Yowsah Yowsah Yowsah) No6
Everybody Dance No9
Le Freak No7
I Want Your Love No4
Good Times No5
My Forbidden Lover No15
My Feet Keep Dancing No21

Whether they all sound exactly the same is again down to the listeners ear, if it's not your bag I can understand how it might, to me they're all different but have the overall Chic sound.

On seeing the song titles I vaguely remember snatches from a couple of them & “Lost in Music”(?) but I’d be hard put to identify any apart from “Le Freak”. Surprised to hear “Good Times” was as big a hit as those other 3 Dust listed.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by Schrottrocker on Dec 3rd, 2014, 6:06pm

on Dec 3rd, 2014, 2:38pm, boredatwork wrote:
“Lost in Music”


Wasn't that Shalamar or some other group?
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by The Cosmic Lawnmower on Dec 4th, 2014, 06:16am

Sister Sledge wink
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by MartinH on Dec 5th, 2014, 05:12am

An award set up by a magazine to bestow on its favourite artists sounds more like an award just for being liked by Rolling Stone than any kind of objective measure. Plus the contenders (winners and losers both) having got so far in their careers are pretty much by definition going to be so well known and well regarded already that it isn’t going to make much difference to them. So it just doesn’t seem that big a deal to me, especially looking at it from my vantage point across the pond. As Douglas Adams said: “Does it really matter? And if it matters, does it matter that it matters?”
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by foxfeeder on Dec 5th, 2014, 12:16pm

on Dec 2nd, 2014, 10:57am, HENRY wrote:
Not odd at all if you're familiar with Rolling Stone and the prevailing American music culture of the late 60's and 70's.

Simply put, prog/symphonic/art rock, or whatever you want to call it, just didn't have as high a profile in American music culture as more blues based and mainstream pop/rock music. Prog was a more European thing, and most prog bands didn't achieve much more than cult status over here. Plus, there was a certain distain for anything prog in the American music media. Arguably the two biggest and most influential magazines of the time, Rolling Stone and Creem, rarely featured prog related bands or music, although Circus magazine did have the occasional article whenever certain bands released new albums or toured.

There was a story circulating a few years ago regarding the selection process for the RRHOF (not sure if it is actually true). The Moody Blues were apparently being considered for nomination, but Jann Wenner, RS co-founder & publisher, laughed off the suggestion. Seems he personally had no interest in the band and didn't view them as worthy of recognition.

The strange thing is, The Moody Blues did have enough of a following in North America to allow them to do reasonably well from a commercial standpoint, having a couple of No. 1 albums plus the fairly popular Days Of Future Past. Despite that, their representation in the media at the time was relatively low.

I do agree that they deserve the recognition, along with bands like King Crimson, Yes, and ELP, but it might take a little while for the powers that be to come around to that realization.


To be honest, although I know of the magazines existence, and see it in newsagents from time to time, I can't say I am familiar with it. It always seemed like a posers mag, looks good on the coffee table when visitors call. From what you say, seems I was right. The biggies here back in the day were New Musical Express, Sounds, and Melody Maker.

I doubt the Moodies will lose any sleep over it. wink
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by HENRY on Dec 8th, 2014, 4:06pm

on Dec 5th, 2014, 12:16pm, foxfeeder wrote:
To be honest, although I know of the magazines existence, and see it in newsagents from time to time, I can't say I am familiar with it. It always seemed like a posers mag, looks good on the coffee table when visitors call. From what you say, seems I was right.

No, you're wrong.

If you are referring to the Rolling Stone of recent years, it is nothing like the magazine was back in the 70's and early 80's. Not only was it a very good music journal, it was also a source of many articles dealing with contemporary issues. But it's main focus was mainstream music culture of the time and developing music trends which reflected the interests of American music audiences.

When it started the R&RHOF, it was probably the most well established music magazine in America. Then, considering how the culture over here is fascinated with the concept of "Halls Of Fame", it seemed to be a natural fit for RS to establish and promote a formal shrine for rock music. The first half a dozen or so years of inductees were the proverbial who's who of rock & roll history. But since then, as less of the old guard remained to be inducted, and later artists started to become eligible, it started to become more a contest of personal music interests and less an acknowledgement of established careers. Plus there was the whole issue of maintaining the HoF's relevance to a younger music culture. And it didn't help as RS started becoming a more corporate entity which developed the magazine into a broader entertainment journal.



Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by CountingOutTime on Dec 8th, 2014, 4:30pm

on Dec 8th, 2014, 4:06pm, HENRY wrote:
No, you're wrong.

If you are referring to the Rolling Stone of recent years, it is nothing like the magazine was back in the 70's and early 80's. Not only was it a very good music journal, it was also a source of many articles dealing with contemporary issues. But it's main focus was mainstream music culture of the time and developing music trends which reflected the interests of American music audiences.

When it started the R&RHOF, it was probably the most well established music magazine in America. Then, considering how the culture over here is fascinated with the concept of "Halls Of Fame", it seemed to be a natural fit for RS to establish and promote a formal shrine for rock music. The first half a dozen or so years of inductees were the proverbial who's who of rock & roll history. But since then, as less of the old guard remained to be inducted, and later artists started to become eligible, it started to become more a contest of personal music interests and less an acknowledgement of established careers. Plus there was the whole issue of maintaining the HoF's relevance to a younger music culture. And it didn't help as RS started becoming a more corporate entity which developed the magazine into a broader entertainment journal.




Well said.

I loved Rolling Stone in the 1970s, but for the past 30 years or so it seems fit to line the bottom of a bird cage.

I subscribe to Progressive Magazine now. It's a quarterly chock full of great info on bands/artists, CD/DVD reviews, festival info and reviews, etc.

http://progressionmagazine.com/


Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by boredatwork on Dec 8th, 2014, 5:15pm

on Dec 8th, 2014, 4:06pm, HENRY wrote:
When it started the R&RHOF, it was probably the most well established music magazine in America. Then, considering how the culture over here is fascinated with the concept of "Halls Of Fame", it seemed to be a natural fit for RS to establish and promote a formal shrine for rock music. The first half a dozen or so years of inductees were the proverbial who's who of rock & roll history. But since then, as less of the old guard remained to be inducted, and later artists started to become eligible, it started to become more a contest of personal music interests and less an acknowledgement of established careers. Plus there was the whole issue of maintaining the HoF's relevance to a younger music culture. And it didn't help as RS started becoming a more corporate entity which developed the magazine into a broader entertainment journal.



So basically the RRHOF has weakened itself by 2 of its own rules: by having to admit a set number of inductees every year instead of a varying number each year promoted solely on merit, it’s diluting the strength of its entrants. Meanwhile it can’t be relevant to youth music culture due to its 25 year rule.

It’s ironic that given this self-imposed restriction the RRHOF could perhaps appeal more to a swathe of young rap & hip hop fans who consider them irrelevant old fogeys by admitting someone who’s considered really uncool by an older generation of rock fans.....
Phil Collins! grin
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by foxfeeder on Dec 9th, 2014, 11:18am

on Dec 8th, 2014, 4:06pm, HENRY wrote:
No, you're wrong.

If you are referring to the Rolling Stone of recent years, it is nothing like the magazine was back in the 70's and early 80's. Not only was it a very good music journal, it was also a source of many articles dealing with contemporary issues. But it's main focus was mainstream music culture of the time and developing music trends which reflected the interests of American music audiences.

When it started the R&RHOF, it was probably the most well established music magazine in America. Then, considering how the culture over here is fascinated with the concept of "Halls Of Fame", it seemed to be a natural fit for RS to establish and promote a formal shrine for rock music. The first half a dozen or so years of inductees were the proverbial who's who of rock & roll history. But since then, as less of the old guard remained to be inducted, and later artists started to become eligible, it started to become more a contest of personal music interests and less an acknowledgement of established careers. Plus there was the whole issue of maintaining the HoF's relevance to a younger music culture. And it didn't help as RS started becoming a more corporate entity which developed the magazine into a broader entertainment journal.




I might have known I would be! rolleyes

And I was referring to the mid 80's on, before that, I didn't know much about it. It was probably some attention seeking headline that caused a stir in other press that drew my attention to it. So the headline worked I guess!
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by foxfeeder on Dec 9th, 2014, 11:20am

on Dec 8th, 2014, 5:15pm, boredatwork wrote:
So basically the RRHOF has weakened itself by 2 of its own rules: by having to admit a set number of inductees every year instead of a varying number each year promoted solely on merit, it’s diluting the strength of its entrants. Meanwhile it can’t be relevant to youth music culture due to its 25 year rule.

It’s ironic that given this self-imposed restriction the RRHOF could perhaps appeal more to a swathe of young rap & hip hop fans who consider them irrelevant old fogeys by admitting someone who’s considered really uncool by an older generation of rock fans.....
Phil Collins! grin


The simple solution would be to allow some public nominations, now the internet makes that possible. But that would remove the onanistic objectives of the editors, I suppose! wink
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by Dr. John on Dec 10th, 2014, 4:16pm

Rolling Stone was a great magazine at least into the 80s. They have had many fantastic music writers. I also agree that they did some really strong feature pieces on issues in contemporary culture. I stopped my subscription as they crept closer to a celebrity headlines rag and had less and less serious pieces about music and culture.
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by Schrottrocker on Dec 10th, 2014, 7:46pm

It's a good question what the actual purpose of these print magazines is today. If I get this right up into the 70's the journalists from Rolling Stone, Melody Maker, New Musical Express etc. saw themselves and were seen as a kind of respected experts in the music business - they were the ones who knew about stuff and told about it and built opinions. Today this is completely obsolete in the days of the internet. Or not?
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by CountingOutTime on Dec 11th, 2014, 09:53am

on Dec 10th, 2014, 7:46pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
It's a good question what the actual purpose of these print magazines is today. If I get this right up into the 70's the journalists from Rolling Stone, Melody Maker, New Musical Express etc. saw themselves and were seen as a kind of respected experts in the music business - they were the ones who knew about stuff and told about it and built opinions. Today this is completely obsolete in the days of the internet. Or not?


Yes, even the radio DJs up thru the 1970s were considered music buffs. I remember many of them introducing the groups at concerts. I would learn about bands by listening to the radio. There was a reverence for music back then.

I remember one DJ, Joe Benson, who had a show every Sunday night called 'The Seventh Day.' He would play 7 albums in their entirety without any interruption. It became a thing here in SoCal to record them on cassette. In between sides of vinyl, Joe would give insight into the band's origin, its members and where they come from, what other bands they were in, etc.

The Rolling Stone was an extension of that experience. I looked forward to getting each edition in the mail. So many great articles, not just on music and bands, but also on current events that would pique my interest.

Today's RS is a watered-down version of that great magazine that, in my opinion, isn't worthy of it's past reputation. It's not even credible any more, probably due to the young blood coming in and doing what they feel will sell.


Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2015 fan poll
Post by Witchwood on Dec 11th, 2014, 12:15pm

on Dec 11th, 2014, 09:53am, CountingOutTime wrote:
Yes, even the radio DJs up thru the 1970s were considered music buffs. I remember many of them introducing the groups at concerts. I would learn about bands by listening to the radio. There was a reverence for music back then.

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I remember when late night radio was educational in that way.
Growing up in Toronto, I always caught the "Rock Report" on one of our FM stations at 6 p.m.
Then at 11 p.m. or midnight, they would play a full album, usually a new release, and they'd break it up with the information about the band you were listening to, and with the DJ talking about the new album, how it differed from previous releases. (I remember that was my introduction to Gentle Giant).
As a teen, eager to make new musical discoveries, this was great.