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xx SQUONK: final guitar solo effect
« Thread started on: Apr 27th, 2016, 1:25pm »

HI there
Is there any Hackett who knows which effect has been used on the lead guitar solo in the closing section of Squonk?
It sound like a kind of very fast vibrato but I am not sure.
Any help?
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xx Re: SQUONK: final guitar solo effect
« Reply #1 on: Apr 28th, 2016, 02:42am »

Sounds like a chorus with the "Rate" turned up a lot....huh

Try that or the "Depth"

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xx Re: SQUONK: final guitar solo effect
« Reply #2 on: Apr 28th, 2016, 04:02am »

Hi,
At that period Steve had a MXR "Phase90" in his pedalboard and I have read somewhere that he used that on full speed to create vibrato effects.
BUT
he also had a boss/roland chorus "CE-1" wich has a vibrato-mode switch,...
OR
maybe the Synthi HiFli (guitar synth) . He used this on TLLOB and ATOTT. This wonderful piece of 70s design has a lfo wich could control the vcf (filter) and vca (amp). With this he created the insane wobbly guitar sound on Counting Out Time smiley .but he might have dialed in a less extreme setting for the Squonk sound...
OR#2
His HH IC-100 (SEBTP- ATOTT) amp has inbuilt vibrato...
OR#3
Since this was a studio recording Steve might have put his guitar through a leslie speaker, very common for guitarists. Steve never had a leslie in his live setup, but he used it in the studio here and there prior to ATOTT.
OR#4
Trident Studios in-house fx...
My guess:
Mxr phase90 (fast setting for vibrato) through a roland chorus for a more hollow-ish sound (in a standard chorus setting).
Cheers /Björn
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xx Re: SQUONK: final guitar solo effect
« Reply #3 on: Apr 28th, 2016, 05:11am »

on Apr 28th, 2016, 04:02am, Tonebender wrote:
Hi,
At that period Steve had a MXR "Phase90" in his pedalboard and I have read somewhere that he used that on full speed to create vibrato effects.
BUT
he also had a boss/roland chorus "CE-1" wich has a vibrato-mode switch,...
OR
maybe the Synthi HiFli (guitar synth) . He used this on TLLOB and ATOTT. This wonderful piece of 70s design has a lfo wich could control the vcf (filter) and vca (amp). With this he created the insane wobbly guitar sound on Counting Out Time smiley .but he might have dialed in a less extreme setting for the Squonk sound...
OR#2
His HH IC-100 (SEBTP- ATOTT) amp has inbuilt vibrato...
OR#3
Since this was a studio recording Steve might have put his guitar through a leslie speaker, very common for guitarists. Steve never had a leslie in his live setup, but he used it in the studio here and there prior to ATOTT.
OR#4
Trident Studios in-house fx...
My guess:
Mxr phase90 (fast setting for vibrato) through a roland chorus for a more hollow-ish sound (in a standard chorus setting).
Cheers /Björn


Or it could have been that.... rolleyes

Excellent info and thanks for sharing sir. smiley

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xx Re: SQUONK: final guitar solo effect
« Reply #4 on: Apr 28th, 2016, 6:41pm »

thank you for your reply... I like most the boss ce-1 chorus/vibrato option... consider that the same sound has been used by Stuermer in the Duke Tour and I don't think he had a leslie or a phase 90 or the same hackett ampli... or a sinthi hifli.
I have tried my boss ce-1 vibrato but the sound was not quite the same.
There's should be another solution...
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xx Re: SQUONK: final guitar solo effect
« Reply #5 on: May 4th, 2016, 12:36pm »

Just to help out here.....

1) If you want to know what effect is on the studio LP... it is, in fact, the SYNTHI HI FLI.... this was used all over TOTT by Steve.

As a matter of fact, this is used more than most folks think between TLLDB and TOTT.

John, the effect on the H&H amp is more of a tremolo than a vibrato (volume changes but not pitch changes).

The problem with the Synthi Hi Fli LIVE is that the controls are all very sensitive and to dial in the settings for any one song takes quite a bit of time... now, if someone ever makes a digital version of the SYNTHI, this limitation could go away with PRESETs. I have been thinking about offering my SYNTHI to UAD to model but I haven't got round to that yet.

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xx Re: SQUONK: final guitar solo effect
« Reply #6 on: May 5th, 2016, 02:45am »

Fascinating... If Steve used this guitar synth at that early stage already, he surely has used it on VOTA too? Lots of reviews refer to Please Don't Touch as the album that introduced Steve playing guitar synths, seems quite unlikely according to all you guys tell us. smiley
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« Reply #7 on: May 5th, 2016, 2:21pm »

Sorry for the confusion.... the SYNTHI HI FLI was a guitar effect and not a synth guitar. I know the name is misleading. This effect is also known as the "Holy Grail" of guitar FX in that there were only about 350 made in the early 70s and much fewer have survived. Most survivors have quality issues as you can imagine.

I have a NEW OLD build. Steve Thomas (from the UK) has been licensed to build 15 new units to the exact same specs and parts of the originals. Not sure if he is still at. I got NO. 5, the only other person that I know that went in on this was Lenny Kravitz, whom purchased 2 of them.

I told Steve H about this guy and let him know, that Steve T would build him one for FREE if he wanted one. Not sure if Steve H still has his original Synthi.

So, occasionally one pops up on EBAY and depending on condition and working PEDALS, I have seem them go for as much as $6000 USD. My new one wound up costing me about 3000 sterling pounds all in by the time it was delivered to me in the States.

So, I guess I can look at this as this reissue being more rare than the original one (since the most to be built is 15) and at a much higher quality since it is all NOS parts.

I like it and have used it on my rendition of COT as part of The Lamb Laid Down on MIDI project.

Jim
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« Reply #8 on: May 8th, 2016, 05:00am »

Thanks Jim for the info!
I have lots of gear related to Genesis pre 1980 but unfortunately not a hi-fli..so I could just speculate about the squonk sound.
But I'm pretty sure that he used the phase90 on the Second's Out tour.
Anyway, here's a great hi-fli clip: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G0GW51R5qEI
/Björn
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xx Re: SQUONK: final guitar solo effect
« Reply #9 on: May 9th, 2016, 09:29am »

Yes Bjorn,

Steve did NOT use the Hi Fli a lot LIVE... like you said, he did use the PHASE 90 to get close to the sound of HiFli quite often LIVE, especially on The Lamb and ATOTT tours.

As a matter of fact, the only spot LIVE that I think Steve ever used the Hi Fli was on the already mentioned COT. That sound is so weird, only the Hi Fli could come close.

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