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« Reply #15 on: Dec 11th, 2017, 11:13am »

I have some particular favourites from the lists.
Tony is undoubtely my favourite composer in Genesis, and these are my favourites of his:

1. Mad Man Moon
2. One For The Vine
3. The Lady Lies
4. Burning Rope
5. Guide Vocal.

From Mike:

1. Man Of Our Times
2. Deep In The Motherlode
3. Open Door

From Phil:

1. Please Don't Ask
2. In Too Deep (Tony said on the Invisible Tour documentary that Phil wrote it)
3. Man on The Corner

...and as for Misunderstanding, I hate it! Sorry wink
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 11th, 2017, 11:47am »

on Dec 10th, 2017, 12:11pm, Merryman72 wrote:
Didn't he have a co-writer for the vast majority of Mechanics songs?


The whole Mechanics project started off with Mike looking for songwriting partners because he thinks of himself as someone who has an easy time starting song ideas but a bad time finishing them. Once he had teamed up with B.A. Robertson and Chris Neil as a songwriting unit, they looked for musicians and singers to perform their songs. That's what the Mechanics were in the beginning, it says a lot about how Mike approaches writing songs. He also said Harlequin was the first ever song he wrote entirely on his own since Ant had left and Mike found it hard back then already to bring his initial song ideas to a full song. Regarding all this I wonder how he managed to write all the songs on Smallcreep on his own, he can do it if he wants to and that album turned out brilliant, he still seems to feel quite uncomfortable with it.
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 12th, 2017, 07:13am »

on Dec 11th, 2017, 11:02am, Fabrizio wrote:
You Sir, are a provocateur ;-)
Anyway, as I am sure you are aware that Misunderstanding was on Duke, not on ATTW3 and......Well, I guess I made my feelings about that ....''song'' already clear. grin
Phil's contributions on ATTW3 were the lyrics to Scenes from a night's dream and the Ballad of big....Let's leave it at that.


Just having some fun. On a serious note, I will say IMO, the writing on ATTWT really took a beating. That album is one of my least favorites. I will say once I heard some live versions on the Archive 2 set, I had a change of heart.
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 12th, 2017, 07:53am »

on Dec 12th, 2017, 07:13am, HomeByTheSea wrote:
Just having some fun. On a serious note, I will say IMO, the writing on ATTWT really took a beating. That album is one of my least favorites. I will say once I heard some live versions on the Archive 2 set, I had a change of heart.

I agree on ATTW3. I think they were all a bit uninspired, coping in terms of sound with Steve's departure, Phil was having some issues on a personal level and still wasn't sure he wanted to be a singer or whether Genesis was the right place for him. He even considered joining The Who for a while. The album suffered for sure. Half of it doesn't do much for me and the rest is OK but not exactly stellar.
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 12th, 2017, 8:14pm »

Tony
1. One for the Vine
2. Mad Man Moon
3. Afterglow
4. The Lady Lies
5. Burning Rope
6. Undertow
7. Cul-de-sac
8. Many Too Many
9. Guide Vocal
10. All in a Mouse's Night
11. Heathaze
12. A Trick of the Tail
13. Evidence of Autumn
14. Me and Sarah Jane
15. The Day the Light Went Out

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1. Deep in the Motherlode
2. Man of our Times
3. Say it's Alright Joe
4. Your Own Special Way
5. Snowbound
6. Alone Tonight
7. Open Door
8. Like it or Not

Phil
1. Please Don't Ask
2. Misunderstanding
3. Man on the Corner
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« Reply #20 on: Dec 13th, 2017, 08:12am »

on Dec 12th, 2017, 07:13am, HomeByTheSea wrote:
IMO, the writing on ATTWT really took a beating. That album is one of my least favorites. I will say once I heard some live versions on the Archive 2 set, I had a change of heart.


The funny thing about ATTWT is while it's also one of my least favourite too, it has two of my absolute favourite Genesis tracks on it, Down & Out and Many Too Many. But for me, apart from Undertow and Follow, they are so leagues ahead of the others it's embarrassing. In fact, two of the worst Genesis songs (in my view) are also on it - Snowbound and Scenes.
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 13th, 2017, 09:15am »

I'm not going to actually rank these, but I will say that every Tony Banks song would rank ahead of every Mike Rutherford song for me. Tony's stuff always resonates with me....Mike's stuff, not so much
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 13th, 2017, 09:20am »

on Dec 13th, 2017, 08:12am, Backdrifter wrote:
The funny thing about ATTWT is while it's also one of my least favourite too, it has two of my absolute favourite Genesis tracks on it, Down & Out and Many Too Many. But for me, apart from Undertow and Follow, they are so leagues ahead of the others it's embarrassing. In fact, two of the worst Genesis songs (in my view) are also on it - Snowbound and Scenes.

I like Down&Out, not crazy about the lyrics but they are OK. I think, as a song it came a bit too early, I am sure Phil would have deliver it better on Duke. M2M is nice, so are Undertow and FYFM. I find Scenes and Ballad of Big extremely bad.
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« Reply #23 on: Dec 13th, 2017, 09:24am »

on Dec 13th, 2017, 09:15am, OldKingCole3 wrote:
I'm not going to actually rank these, but I will say that every Tony Banks song would rank ahead of every Mike Rutherford song for me. Tony's stuff always resonates with me....Mike's stuff, not so much

Well, Tony's body of work stacks up quite nicelyl against the others'. He almost always nails it for me: on occasions some songs don't do much for me: Mouse, The lady lies or Domino for instance but I never have a WTF moment with him, just some ''Meh'' moments.
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« Reply #24 on: Dec 13th, 2017, 6:39pm »

Again, it's funny how different perception and likes can be. I prefer Scenes From A Night's Dream so much over Down and Out.
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« Reply #25 on: Dec 14th, 2017, 04:06am »

on Dec 13th, 2017, 09:20am, Fabrizio wrote:
I like Down&Out, not crazy about the lyrics but they are OK. I think, as a song it came a bit too early, I am sure Phil would have deliver it better on Duke.


That's an interesting thought, it hadn't occurred to me before but you've got me thinking now. With the 'Duke sound' it could have been a stunner. Re the lyrics - I don't think there's a particularly good set of lyrics anywhere on that album.
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« Reply #26 on: Dec 14th, 2017, 04:42am »

on Dec 13th, 2017, 6:39pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
Again, it's funny how different perception and likes can be. I prefer Scenes From A Night's Dream so much over Down and Out.


It's interesting isn't it. I'm sure you find it as odd that I much prefer D&O as I do that you prefer SFAND. I think these contrasts arise for a very positive reason, namely that they have such a range of styles within their work that even long-time dedicated fans have disagreements.

I recall you and I touched on this before, I think as part of a Lamb discussion. I said it's my favourite Genesis album and you said you bet I didn't like certain albums or songs and named some things off W&W and ATOTT and you were spot-on. My favourite Genesis stuff is usually the darker, edgier, harder areas, often the more un-Genesis-y ones. I can't get on with the twee stuff at all and Scenes encapsulates the very essence of twee Genesis that makes me cringe. If I were to play it - which I never do - I'd have to then immediately play The Waiting Room to blast away the intense sugariness!
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« Reply #27 on: Dec 14th, 2017, 05:07am »

on Dec 13th, 2017, 09:24am, Fabrizio wrote:
Well, Tony's body of work stacks up quite nicelyl against the others'. He almost always nails it for me: on occasions some songs don't do much for me: Mouse, The lady lies or Domino for instance but I never have a WTF moment with him, just some ''Meh'' moments.


You mentioned Domino which reminds me that while the thread is about those tracks with solo writing credits there are other tracks that while they have group credits are generally known to be largely by one person. I have heard Domino is mainly Banks, ditto The Brazilian, Keep It Dark, Pigeons, Hold On My Heart, and the lyrics of Home though I'm not sure if that extends to the music too. PG-era ones I understand to be by him are Firth of Fifth, The Lamia, Riding The Scree, possibly In The Cage too?
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« Reply #28 on: Dec 14th, 2017, 06:39am »

on Dec 14th, 2017, 04:06am, Backdrifter wrote:
That's an interesting thought, it hadn't occurred to me before but you've got me thinking now. With the 'Duke sound' it could have been a stunner. Re the lyrics - I don't think there's a particularly good set of lyrics anywhere on that album.

There's a different energy throughout Duke and Phil sings differently, he starts growling instead of using his falsetto a lot. A giant leap forward for him as a vocalist and I believe, a song like D&O would have greatly benefited from that.
As for the lyrics on the album: there are imo some truly bad ones; Case in point Scenes and Ballad of big, some are a bit too much business a usual for me and fall a bit flat: Motherlode, BR, The lady lies, some are just anonymous: D&O, Snowbound and Joe, some are nice MtM and FYFM which I think is perfect for that kind of song. I like Undertow personally. I find the contrast between the intimate, atmospheric bits and the more epic , philosophical parts quite interesting.
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« Reply #29 on: Dec 14th, 2017, 06:41am »

on Dec 14th, 2017, 05:07am, Backdrifter wrote:
You mentioned Domino which reminds me that while the thread is about those tracks with solo writing credits there are other tracks that while they have group credits are generally known to be largely by one person. I have heard Domino is mainly Banks, ditto The Brazilian, Keep It Dark, Pigeons, Hold On My Heart, and the lyrics of Home though I'm not sure if that extends to the music too. PG-era ones I understand to be by him are Firth of Fifth, The Lamia, Riding The Scree, possibly In The Cage too?

I am not sure about in the Cage, I think it was a collaborative effort based on MIke's idea but I really don't know. I might be confusing it with BINYC.
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