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« Reply #75 on: Mar 23rd, 2017, 3:51pm »

on Mar 23rd, 2017, 3:21pm, Backdrifter wrote:
I do think you're reading too much into it. Plus, even though I like the album a lot, I don't think it ever translated very well live. The title track worked best, Dodo/Lurker was okay, but of the rest even ones I love such as M&SJ and KID were pretty lame in their live versions. As a live band I don't think they were a natural fit for that much sparser, spacier sound.


You are probably right, I guess I'm looking to validate my opinion of the album through that.
I actually enjoyed Dodo and M&SJ on 3SL and I guess I would have enjoyed KID too, the title track, although personally I really can't stand it, would have been the obvious and probably only choice for thr reunion tour, it is however strange that such a high energy album wouldn't translate well live.
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« Reply #76 on: Mar 24th, 2017, 10:44am »

on Mar 23rd, 2017, 3:21pm, Backdrifter wrote:
Yes it's a little odd, and for me disappointing, but on balance I do think you're reading too much into it. Plus, even though I like the album a lot, I don't think it ever translated very well live. The title track worked best, Dodo/Lurker was okay, but of the rest even ones I love such as M&SJ and KID were pretty lame in their live versions. As a live band I don't think they were a natural fit for that much sparser, spacier sound.

If my memory serves right they were indeed discussing to alter the set list for the North American tour and take in Abacab and In Too Deep. I wonder which songs would have been dropped in turn? Ripples maybe? Anyways, they didn't. To me it looks like the playlist was fine as it was and that's it. Meaning, the Abacab album just didn't make it.

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I'm fairly sure most people on this forum are big fans of TTLDOB.

The exception proves the rule wink
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« Reply #77 on: Mar 24th, 2017, 11:22am »

on Mar 24th, 2017, 10:44am, Schrottrocker wrote:
If my memory serves right they were indeed discussing to alter the set list for the North American tour and take in Abacab and In Too Deep. I wonder which songs would have been dropped in turn? Ripples maybe? Anyways, they didn't. To me it looks like the playlist was fine as it was and that's it. Meaning, the Abacab album just didn't make it.

"Ripples" was a potential drop for the N.A. part of the tour. "Abacab" was not in consideration beyond the initial rehearsals.

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As I remember, they started out with a general list of potential songs for the tour, and slowly pared that list down for the final setlist. For all we know there could have been another song from Abacab under consideration at that initial stage, but at this point it really doesn't matter.

It's possible that after trying to rehearse "Abacab", it just wasn't working for them or they didn't feel comfortable with the results. Sometimes things like that happen with songs. They hadn't played it for 20 years, and it's not a simple song to play. In the end, for whatever reason, they just weren't either confident enough or satisfied with themselves to include it in the set.
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« Reply #78 on: Mar 24th, 2017, 11:30am »

on Mar 23rd, 2017, 3:42pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
I'm fairly sure most people on this forum are big fans of TTLDOB.


I have and I admit it, quite draconian views when it comes to TLDOB and I fully realize many fans might not share them: quite the flawed album, as any double album imo, not their best, although in the top 3, sheerly by virtue of the amount of amazing music on it, but flaws notwhitstanding their Manifesto, it is everything, good and bad, Genesis are about as a band and here comes the radical part: if you don't like or don't get this album, you don't get Genesis. I know, I know.....
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« Reply #79 on: Mar 24th, 2017, 3:45pm »

on Mar 24th, 2017, 11:30am, Fabrizio wrote:
I have and I admit it, quite draconian views when it comes to TLDOB and I fully realize many fans might not share them: quite the flawed album, as any double album imo, not their best, although in the top 3, sheerly by virtue of the amount of amazing music on it, but flaws notwhitstanding their Manifesto, it is everything, good and bad, Genesis are about as a band and here comes the radical part: if you don't like or don't get this album, you don't get Genesis. I know, I know.....


I'm gonna open a new thread titled "Sorry, TLLDOB. :(".
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« Reply #80 on: Mar 25th, 2017, 06:58am »

on Mar 24th, 2017, 3:45pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
I'm gonna open a new thread titled "Sorry, TLLDOB. sad".

Tja, viel Spass damit. My guess is you are going to get some interesting responses laugh wink
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« Reply #81 on: Mar 25th, 2017, 6:43pm »

on Mar 25th, 2017, 06:58am, Fabrizio wrote:
Tja, viel Spass damit. My guess is you are going to get some interesting responses laugh wink


You're damn right he will! grin
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« Reply #82 on: Mar 30th, 2017, 04:21am »

Lamb and Abacab are my top 2 albums, not that this proves anything, but there might be something in the notion that certain people gravitate to those 2 albums in particular.
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on Mar 30th, 2017, 04:21am, Backdrifter wrote:
there might be something in the notion that certain people gravitate to those 2 albums in particular.

They are both....'disruptive'? wink
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« Reply #84 on: May 2nd, 2017, 1:23pm »

This my least favorite album with Phil singing, but it still has a lot of stuff that I really like. Keep It Dark is definitely the favorite. Love Dodo/Luker and No Reply at All. I even like the non album songs especially Paperlate. I honestly never got into Me and Sarah Jane.
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« Reply #85 on: Jun 2nd, 2017, 3:22pm »

I'm of the opinion that the general direction Genesis took from the 80s onwards was a regrettable one, but I actually have a lot of time for Abacab and enjoy it much more than anything that followed. It has a raw, aggressive energy that's a lot of fun, and a sense of adventure and experimentation that's reminiscent of the early days, even though the music sounds almost nothing alike. The title track, "Me and Sarah Jane", "Dodo/Lurker" and "Keep It Dark" are all great songs. It's also the last album that doesn't feature at least one track I find seriously objectionable. No, I'm not kidding. Give me "Who Dunnit?" over "In Too Deep", "Illegal Alien" or "Small Talk" any day. smiley

I wish they'd carried on exploring this kind of sound in the 80s. After Abacab (with a few notable exceptions), I find that things become increasingly safe, unadventurous and dull, culminating in the absolute nadir that is Calling All Stations.
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« Reply #86 on: Jun 2nd, 2017, 5:33pm »

Since making this thread, I have once again changed my opinion of the album. I now consider it just as good as FGTR, as to me both are heavily flawed (and thus I very rarely listen to either of them), but they have undeniable moments of Genesis magic.

However, that means that both albums are tied for worst album in my ranking. I rate them both 5/10. I still consider Abacab a mess, but to be honest it isn't a bad album, just one that could have been so much better. It's starting to grow on me just a little bit. Oh, and I really like MASJ nowadays! smiley That track took a very long time to grab me.
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