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Overrated/underrated album
Post by pokemon71096 on Jun 29th, 2012, 08:30am

Does anyone have a genesis album they feel is overrated or underrated? My First submission:
Over: Duke
Under: FGTR
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by NoSonOfVine on Jun 29th, 2012, 08:37am

Here we go again. rolleyes
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Down And Out on Jun 29th, 2012, 08:47am

on Jun 29th, 2012, 08:37am, NoSonofVine wrote:
Here we go again. rolleyes

You said it buddy. undecided

Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by pokemon71096 on Jun 29th, 2012, 1:24pm

on Jun 29th, 2012, 08:47am, Down And Out wrote:
You said it buddy. undecided

Sorry, i know these don't always end well and have been done to death.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Hackenbacker on Jun 29th, 2012, 8:14pm

OH GOD, BRACE FOR IMPACT!!
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Arcadia Son on Jun 29th, 2012, 10:13pm

Over: SEBTP, Duke, ATTWT, W&W
Under: FGTR
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Schrottrocker on Jun 30th, 2012, 02:14am

on Jun 29th, 2012, 10:13pm, Arcadia_Son wrote:
Over: SEBTP, Duke, ATTWT, W&W
Under: FGTR

If I was a math geek I'd create a graph that shows percentage numbers for statistical probabilities of answers in this thread. Since I'm not, I'll just say high vs. low:

Expected answers for average Genesis fans and/or new forum members:

Over: NC, Foxtrot, SEBTP, Lamb, Trick, Wind, Duke
Under: FGTR, Abacab, IT, WCD, CAS

Answers from long-term forum members are less predictable; however, they are expected to deliberately depart from above answers. Most likely, they will be a mixture of above 'common' answers and rather uncommon answers.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Down And Out on Jun 30th, 2012, 03:41am

on Jun 29th, 2012, 10:13pm, Arcadia_Son wrote:
Over: ATTWT

I'm sorry, but to describe one of their least popular albums as over-rated is quite frankly b***ocks! angry

Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by chinwildchicken on Jun 30th, 2012, 04:33am

Definitly Selling England by the Pound... For sure, it has got strong songs, but I can't listen to the Studio Versions. I really fell asleep during Cinema Show. The Live versions a whole lot better. Phil's drumming is to soft on this one as well. Even on the 2007 Remaster, there is just not enough power for me. The Lamb or Foxtrott had alot more power.

I like these songs, but only the live versions. Hm, but I still don't like the Battle of Epping Forest. cheesy
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Abacab on Jun 30th, 2012, 06:14am

Over: SEBTP
I like the album but it's definatly not their greatest as people claim it to be. Battle of Epping Forrest is just tedious.
Under: ATTWT
IMO their most underrated. It's been dismissed by alot of fans and the band themselves. Has great songs such as "Say It's Alright Joe" and "Burning Rope".
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Swede on Jun 30th, 2012, 12:16pm

on Jun 30th, 2012, 03:41am, Down And Out wrote:
I'm sorry, but to describe one of their least popular albums as over-rated is quite frankly b***ocks! angry

Yes, it doesn't really makes sence.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Swede on Jun 30th, 2012, 12:18pm

on Jun 30th, 2012, 04:33am, chinwildchicken wrote:
Definitly Selling England by the Pound... For sure, it has got strong songs, but I can't listen to the Studio Versions. I really fell asleep during Cinema Show. The Live versions a whole lot better. Phil's drumming is to soft on this one as well.

Interesting, I have the opposite opinion.
Those SOFT jazzy drums on CS is what I prefer!
Studio rules! smiley

Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by NoSonOfVine on Jun 30th, 2012, 3:56pm

Fine, my turn: rolleyes

Overrated: Trespass, Abacab
Underrated: ATTWT, Invisible Touch, We Can't Dance


This is old and no longer relevant.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Arcadia Son on Jun 30th, 2012, 6:26pm

on Jun 30th, 2012, 3:56pm, NoSonofVine wrote:
Fine, my turn: rolleyes

Overrated: Trespass, Abacab
Underrated: ATTWT, Invisible Touch, We Can't Dance




Interesting. As much as I love IT, it only seems to get a bad rep from those strictly camped in the 'prog' section.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Reimondo on Jul 1st, 2012, 12:06am

Over: I can't Dance
Under: Calling All Stations
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jul 1st, 2012, 10:19am

on Jun 30th, 2012, 6:26pm, Arcadia_Son wrote:
Interesting. As much as I love IT, it only seems to get a bad rep from those strictly camped in the 'prog' section.

Not really, not much has remained as a pop album, people, not necessarily Genesis fans from either camp but people who were around at the time, still tend to remember Wham or Duran Duran, things like that but not IT. Personally I think it was rated correctly, it was a hit machine and it peerfectly served the purpose
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jul 1st, 2012, 10:22am

Underrated Trespass. Green, poorly produced and with some bad choices but the material is imo very strong.
Overrated WCD. It's really 3 to 4 good songs drowning in a sea of mediocrity imo.

Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Billys_Number on Jul 2nd, 2012, 01:06am

Overrated: Selling England By The Pound.

DON'T get me wrong, this album is one of my favorites! But I really don't think it should be regarded as the perfect and amazing album that it's apparently been hailed as. It is a solid PG era album, and some great songs, but there are also weak spots, just like the others. And IMO, any album that has weak spots at all, should not be on that high a pedestal. There are a few other more "technical" reasons for my opinion as well where I prefer other albums, (performance, mixing, instrumentation, etc.) but I'm too lazy to get into all of them right now. wink

Underrated: Invisible Touch

At the risk of being told to walk the plank, I will say I agree this album gets a bad rap sometimes due to certain songs having more of a "poppy" nature. But I disagree that it was Genesis selling out-AND I strongly disagree that it was all Phil Collins influence! There's tons of material on this album that is strictly Mike's or strictly Tony's! They all have said that at that time, their style was evolving-just look at their previous 3 albums! There are several songs on this album that are truly Genesis, style wise, as only Genesis could do it! Imagine some other band trying to do The Brazilian, or Domino, or hell-even Tonight Tonight Tonight! Impossible! There's really only 3 songs on there that could be classified as "poppy" anyway: Invisible Touch, In Too Deep, and Throwing it All Away. I have a hard time classifying Land of Confusion as a cheezy pop song. I'm actually quite surprised that more Genesis fans don't love this song! To each his own, I suppose...but In this case, I will let the album sales number for Invisible Touch speak for itself!!! wink
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Liam on Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:16am


Is anything by Genesis actually "overrated"? Do we mean overrated by some fans on the internet? Genesis don't exactly get lauded by the music press.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by NoSonOfVine on Jul 2nd, 2012, 04:27am

on Jul 1st, 2012, 12:06am, Reimondo wrote:
Over: I can't Dance


*We wink grin
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by jerseyboy on Jul 2nd, 2012, 06:52am

Overrated - Nursery Cryme (Emperor's New Clothes)

Underrated - ATTWT (not perfect but near enough)
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jul 2nd, 2012, 1:23pm

on Jul 2nd, 2012, 06:52am, Toto Lurker wrote:
Overrated - Nursery Cryme (Emperor's New Clothes)

Underrated - ATTWT (not perfect but near enough)


I might even tend to agree on NC but there is that little thing called MB that alone makes the whole album imo and Fountain? Not too shabby either.
On ATTWT I still maintain it was their weakest album up to that point and not as good as his successor, overall, considering what came afterwards a good album but not very solid materialwise imo. Sooooorry Nige.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Down And Out on Jul 2nd, 2012, 2:00pm

on Jul 2nd, 2012, 1:23pm, Fabrizio wrote:
On ATTWT I still maintain it was their weakest album up to that point and not as good as his successor, overall, considering what came afterwards a good album but not very solid materialwise imo. Sooooorry Nige.

Fab, there is really no need to apologise. wink

1. If somebody says they dislike ATTWT, that's a valid opinion albeit contrary to mine.

2. If somebody says that ATTWT is not underrated, that's a valid opinion albeit contrary to mine.

3. If somebody says that ATTWT is overrated by me, that's a valid opinion albeit contrary to mine.

4. But if somebody says that ATTWT is overrated, that's total b***ocks as the album is held in such low esteem by so many.

I do sometimes think that the copies of ATTWT I've had over the years - at least 1 LP, 1 musicassette and 2 CDs - must sound different to almost everybody else's. grin Alternatively, perhaps my ears and brain are processing the music in a totally different fashion. rolleyes Because when I listen to ATTWT, I hear so much of what I like about all 1970s Genesis. By contrast, when I listen to Duke, I hear a sound which is changing significantly coinciding with the start of a new decade. I will go to my grave thinking that ATTWT is a wonderful album, no matter what anybody else says. smiley However, I think I will stop flogging a dead horse in terms of saying this. wink

Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Reimondo on Jul 2nd, 2012, 4:42pm

on Jul 2nd, 2012, 04:27am, NoSonofVine wrote:
*We wink grin
Thanks brah.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Schrottrocker on Jul 2nd, 2012, 6:25pm

on Jul 2nd, 2012, 1:23pm, Fabrizio wrote:
I might even tend to agree on NC but there is that little thing called MB that alone makes the whole album imo and Fountain? Not too shabby either.

And that proves once more how different personal perceptions are. Musical Box is a great song but tbh I always found it to be the weakest song on NC. wink
(disclaimer: I'm not trying to start a debate, mind you)
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 3rd, 2012, 02:15am

on Jun 30th, 2012, 03:41am, Down And Out wrote:
I'm sorry, but to describe one of their least popular albums as over-rated is quite frankly b***ocks! angry


Considering that the terms "underrated" and "overrated" are essentially subjective, I would point out that ATTWT has been generally highly regarded in comparison to much later albums.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 3rd, 2012, 02:34am

on Jul 1st, 2012, 10:19am, Fabrizio wrote:
Not really, not much has remained as a pop album, people, not necessarily Genesis fans from either camp but people who were around at the time, still tend to remember Wham or Duran Duran, things like that but not IT. Personally I think it was rated correctly, it was a hit machine and it peerfectly served the purpose
.

Certainly many Genesis fans, though probably not you, see Invisible Touch as more than simply a "hit machine".

There are those people, not necessarily Genesis fans, who were around at the time, that didn't put much consideration into albums such as SEBTP and LLDOB because, well, Genesis simply weren't that high profile of a band.

BTW, Wham and Duran Duran hit big long before (2-4 years) Invisible Touch was released. But apparently for some reason you prefer to lump all these together. rolleyes

But what always puzzles and amuses me is how this sort of thing always turns into a petty contest of stylistic preferences.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 3rd, 2012, 02:35am

on Jul 1st, 2012, 10:22am, Fabrizio wrote:
Overrated WCD. It's really 3 to 4 good songs drowning in a sea of mediocrity imo.


Ah well, too bad you're wrong. grin
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 3rd, 2012, 02:39am

on Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:16am, Liam wrote:
Is anything by Genesis actually "overrated"? Do we mean overrated by some fans on the internet?


I think it means fans on the internet who are obsessively determined to push their opinion at any opportune moment. grin
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by onetwothree on Jul 3rd, 2012, 07:23am

I don't think any Genesis albums strike me as particularly overrated or underrated, but I will make this observation: On this board, I have seen THE LAMB being (in my opinion) both overrated and underrated by different people!
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jul 3rd, 2012, 08:42am

on Jul 2nd, 2012, 6:25pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
And that proves once more how different personal perceptions are. Musical Box is a great song but tbh I always found it to be the weakest song on NC. wink
(disclaimer: I'm not trying to start a debate, mind you)

There cannot be a debate when a difference in opinion and taste is so radical imo. I think 'To each his own ' is the only possible formula wink
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jul 3rd, 2012, 08:43am

on Jul 3rd, 2012, 07:23am, onetwothree wrote:
I don't think any Genesis albums strike me as particularly overrated or underrated, but I will make this observation: On this board, I have seen THE LAMB being (in my opinion) both overrated and underrated by different people!

Very true.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jul 3rd, 2012, 09:01am

on Jul 2nd, 2012, 2:00pm, Down And Out wrote:
4. But if somebody says that ATTWT is overrated, that's total b***ocks as the album is held in such low esteem by so many.



I think it must be put in a general context, when ATTW3 came out I found it weak, it was the first time for me with a Genesis album I could have lived without 50% of the material. Now; I personally would rate it higher than anything they released after Duke which doesn't seem bad at all in terms of general ranking imo.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by NoSonOfVine on Jul 3rd, 2012, 09:53am

on Jul 3rd, 2012, 07:23am, onetwothree wrote:
I don't think any Genesis albums strike me as particularly overrated or underrated, but I will make this observation: On this board, I have seen THE LAMB being (in my opinion) both overrated and underrated by different people!


I think Disc 1 of the Lamb is absolutely magnificent, but Disc 2 is kind of overrated. I feel most of the songs on Disc 2 are lesser versions of the songs on Disc 1. The biggest example being Colony of Slippermen, which to me, seems like a below-average version of the stupendous In The Cage.

My favourite song on Disc 2 is "Silent Sorrow in Empty Boats". Beautiful name, beautiful song. smiley
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jul 3rd, 2012, 10:07am

on Jul 3rd, 2012, 09:53am, NoSonofVine wrote:
I think Disc 1 of the Lamb is absolutely magnificent, but Disc 2 is kind of overrated.

I agree
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by TheLadyLies on Jul 3rd, 2012, 1:06pm

Overrated - Any of their LP's from the 80's!! undecided
Underrated - W&W, ATTWT cry
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Provocation on Jul 4th, 2012, 12:28am

Overrated: Foxtrot
Underrated: Abacab
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by raelthing on Jul 4th, 2012, 02:58am

Under-rated CAS
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:29am

on Jul 3rd, 2012, 1:06pm, TheLadyLies wrote:
Overrated - Any of their LP's from the 80's!! undecided
Underrated - W&W, ATTWT cry

W&W underrated? By whom?
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Down And Out on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:42am

on Jul 3rd, 2012, 1:06pm, TheLadyLies wrote:
Overrated - Any of their LP's from the 80's!! undecided
Underrated - W&W, ATTWT cry

on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:29am, Fabrizio wrote:
W&W underrated? By whom?

I suspect that TLL isn't really answering the question. She's just saying that she loves the albums up to the end of the 1970s but isn't too keen on the albums from 1980 onwards. wink

Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:47am

on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:42am, Down And Out wrote:
I suspect that TLL isn't really answering the question. She's just saying that she loves the albums up to the end of the 1970s but isn't too keen on the albums from 1980 onwards. wink

Ok, that would explain it because generally speaking the 4 man era albums is something almost everybody agrees on
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by pokemon71096 on Jul 4th, 2012, 12:35pm

on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:47am, Fabrizio wrote:
Ok, that would explain it because generally speaking the 4 man era albums is something almost everybody agrees on

Wind & Wuthering isn't that special to me... sorry...
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jul 4th, 2012, 2:47pm

on Jul 4th, 2012, 12:35pm, pokemon71096 wrote:
Wind & Wuthering isn't that special to me... sorry...

Key operational words:
īGenerally speaking'
'Almost everybody'

wink
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by pokemon71096 on Jul 4th, 2012, 4:48pm

on Jul 4th, 2012, 2:47pm, Fabrizio wrote:
Key operational words:
īGenerally speaking'
'Almost everybody'

wink

True. And it does have its moments, though i'm probably one of a few who prefer ATTW3 to W&W
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by TheLadyLies on Jul 5th, 2012, 3:24pm

on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:42am, Down And Out wrote:
I suspect that TLL isn't really answering the question. She's just saying that she loves the albums up to the end of the 1970s but isn't too keen on the albums from 1980 onwards. wink


Phew what a lot of posts in the last 48 hours!! shocked

Yes - that IS what I mean!! smiley
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by TheLadyLies on Jul 5th, 2012, 3:28pm

on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:29am, Fabrizio wrote:
W&W underrated? By whom?


By many people...I always call it the "Forgotten" album as everyone raves about SEBTP or The LAMB or TOTT and W&W hardly gets mentioned!! undecided

- Even Tony Banks said it never sold as much as the other albums which speaks for itself really... embarassed
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by TheLadyLies on Jul 5th, 2012, 3:29pm

on Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:16am, Liam wrote:
Is anything by Genesis actually "overrated"? Do we mean overrated by some fans on the internet? Genesis don't exactly get lauded by the music press.


True... wink
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Merryman72 on Jul 5th, 2012, 3:36pm

I think it's all underrated grin but the most underrated are Calling All Stations, From Genesis To Revelation, Invisible Touch and Abacab.

These are still possibly my 4 least favourite Genesis albums, but I think they're much better than some people tend to make out! tongue All good stuff wink
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 6th, 2012, 01:02am

on Jul 3rd, 2012, 08:42am, Fabrizio wrote:
There cannot be a debate when a difference in opinion and taste is so radical imo. I think 'To each his own ' is the only possible formula wink


To each his/her own, absolutely.

There cannot be a debate in difference of opinions? Then why offer any opinion at all?


Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 6th, 2012, 01:06am

on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:29am, Fabrizio wrote:
W&W underrated? By whom?


Well, fans who are not obsessed with 70's prog era stuff for example...
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 6th, 2012, 01:19am

on Jul 5th, 2012, 3:28pm, TheLadyLies wrote:
By many people...I always call it the "Forgotten" album as everyone raves about SEBTP or The LAMB or TOTT and W&W hardly gets mentioned!! undecided

- Even Tony Banks said it never sold as much as the other albums which speaks for itself really... embarassed


Odd, because it was the first album to reach No.1 in the UK, but not officially recognized because of the Christmas holiday, and "Your Own Special Way" was their "first charting single".
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 6th, 2012, 01:24am

on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:47am, Fabrizio wrote:
Ok, that would explain it because generally speaking the 4 man era albums is something almost everybody agrees on


Lots of hardcore fans really like a couple of albums, (Gabe era, Phil era, whatever) but how official is that? Can you offer a source?

I suspect not.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 6th, 2012, 01:44am

on Jul 4th, 2012, 11:47am, Fabrizio wrote:
Ok, that would explain it because generally speaking the 4 man era albums is something almost everybody agrees on

on Jul 4th, 2012, 12:35pm, pokemon71096 wrote:
Wind & Wuthering isn't that special to me... sorry...

on Jul 4th, 2012, 2:47pm, Fabrizio wrote:
Key operational words:
īGenerally speaking'
'Almost everybody'


Yeah, because we must assume that one's own opinion agrees with with some kind of unsubstantiated assessment.


Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Down And Out on Jul 6th, 2012, 03:54am

on Jul 5th, 2012, 3:36pm, Merryman72 wrote:
I think it's all underrated grin but the most underrated are Calling All Stations, From Genesis To Revelation, Invisible Touch and Abacab.

These are still possibly my 4 least favourite Genesis albums, but I think they're much better than some people tend to make out! tongue All good stuff wink

I pretty much agree with the sentiments. For me even the Genesis albums which I regard as their weaker ones are better than at least 90% of the music out there. wink

Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by TheLadyLies on Jul 6th, 2012, 05:07am

on Jul 6th, 2012, 01:19am, HENRY wrote:
Odd, because it was the first album to reach No.1 in the UK, but not officially recognized because of the Christmas holiday, and "Your Own Special Way" was their "first charting single".


huh huh

Wind & Wuthering never reached No 1 in the UK! - Infact their first No 1 album wasn't until 1980!!

And sadly Your Own Special Way was never a Top 40 hit either - (but it should've been)!!! undecided
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Kanutility on Jul 6th, 2012, 05:35am

on Jul 6th, 2012, 01:19am, HENRY wrote:
Odd, because it was the first album to reach No.1 in the UK, but not officially recognized because of the Christmas holiday, and "Your Own Special Way" was their "first charting single".


"I Know What I Like" was the first charting single, assuming you're talking about England.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Down And Out on Jul 6th, 2012, 07:35am

on Jul 6th, 2012, 05:35am, Kanutility wrote:
"I Know What I Like" was the first charting single, assuming you're talking about England.

It depends what you mean by charting. Are you talking top 20, top 40 or top 100? wink

Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Dust on Jul 6th, 2012, 08:04am

I've avoided posting in this thread. What I would say should be obvious to anybody... the concepts of "underrated" and "overrated" are meaningless without first defining by whom.

Wind and Wuthering is overrated.

Wind and Wuthering is underrated.

There. Case closed. grin
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by NoSonOfVine on Jul 6th, 2012, 08:36am

on Jul 5th, 2012, 3:36pm, Merryman72 wrote:
I think it's all underrated grin but the most underrated are Calling All Stations, From Genesis To Revelation, Invisible Touch and Abacab.

These are still possibly my 4 least favourite Genesis albums, but I think they're much better than some people tend to make out! tongue All good stuff wink


Of these four, the only one I really like is Invisible Touch.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by NoSonOfVine on Jul 6th, 2012, 08:40am

on Jul 6th, 2012, 05:07am, TheLadyLies wrote:
huh huh

Wind & Wuthering never reached No 1 in the UK! - Infact their first No 1 album wasn't until 1980!!

And sadly Your Own Special Way was never a Top 40 hit either - (but it should've been)!!! undecided


To make you feel better TLL... I think that W&W is their second best after Trick. cool cool cool
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jul 6th, 2012, 10:11am

on Jul 6th, 2012, 03:54am, Down And Out wrote:
I pretty much agree with the sentiments. For me even the Genesis albums which I regard as their weaker ones are better than at least 90% of the music out there. wink

Yep!
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by jerseyboy on Jul 6th, 2012, 6:24pm

on Jul 6th, 2012, 03:54am, Down And Out wrote:
I pretty much agree with the sentiments. For me even the Genesis albums which I regard as their weaker ones are better than at least 90% of the music out there. wink


I agree too. In fact that's exactly how I feel about Foxtrot and TLLDOB.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Mal on Jul 6th, 2012, 6:26pm

on Jul 6th, 2012, 6:24pm, Toto Lurker wrote:
I agree too. In fact that's exactly how I feel about Foxtrot and TLLDOB.


You feel these 2 albums are the weaker ones?? shocked shocked shocked

'Faints!'
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by pokemon71096 on Jul 6th, 2012, 6:30pm

on Jul 6th, 2012, 6:26pm, Mal wrote:
You feel these 2 albums are the weaker ones?? shocked shocked shocked

'Faints!'

I feel the same way... but i'm sure there's someone in a coma out there because I don't consider ATotT and W&W their best two albums (though i do really like the former)
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by jerseyboy on Jul 6th, 2012, 6:52pm

on Jul 6th, 2012, 6:26pm, Mal wrote:
You feel these 2 albums are the weaker ones?? shocked shocked shocked

'Faints!'


Hi Mal, you should know what music I prefer after all these years wink
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by TheLadyLies on Jul 7th, 2012, 12:31pm

on Jul 6th, 2012, 08:40am, NoSonofVine wrote:
To make you feel better TLL... I think that W&W is their second best after Trick. cool cool cool


Good choice! smiley
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by InfiniteCactus on Jul 7th, 2012, 10:28pm

Over: TLLDOB
Under: ATTWT, Calling All Stations
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 9th, 2012, 12:18am

on Jul 3rd, 2012, 07:23am, onetwothree wrote:
On this board, I have seen THE LAMB being (in my opinion) both overrated and underrated by different people!


Gasp! Horror!

grin
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 9th, 2012, 12:35am

on Jul 6th, 2012, 05:07am, TheLadyLies wrote:
Wind & Wuthering never reached No 1 in the UK! - Infact their first No 1 album wasn't until 1980!!


As I said, not officially recognized as a No. 1 because the chart listings were not released during the Chistmas holiday period. This was a point expressed by members of the band themselves at the time.

Quote:
And sadly Your Own Special Way was never a Top 40 hit either - (but it should've been)!!! undecided


I didn't say that it hit the Top 40, I said that it was the first single to chart, which typically represents a song that enters the Top 100.


Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 9th, 2012, 12:39am

on Jul 6th, 2012, 05:35am, Kanutility wrote:
"I Know What I Like" was the first charting single, assuming you're talking about England.


Yes, I suppose I am referring to the N.A. chart success.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 9th, 2012, 12:42am

on Jul 6th, 2012, 08:04am, Dust wrote:
I've avoided posting in this thread. What I would say should be obvious to anybody... the concepts of "underrated" and "overrated" are meaningless without first defining by whom.

Wind and Wuthering is overrated.

Wind and Wuthering is underrated.

There. Case closed. grin


You're wrong...sometimes...I think. Ah crap, when can we sit down for a beer and iron this out?
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by HENRY on Jul 9th, 2012, 12:46am

on Jul 6th, 2012, 03:54am, Down And Out wrote:
I pretty much agree with the sentiments. For me even the Genesis albums which I regard as their weaker ones are better than at least 90% of the music out there. wink


on Jul 6th, 2012, 10:11am, Fabrizio wrote:
Yep!


I'm assuming that you folks don't get out much.... wink
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Down And Out on Jul 9th, 2012, 03:59am

on Jul 9th, 2012, 12:46am, HENRY wrote:
I'm assuming that you folks don't get out much.... wink

laugh rolleyes

Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by NoSonOfVine on Jul 9th, 2012, 05:20am

on Jul 6th, 2012, 6:26pm, Mal wrote:
You feel these 2 albums are the weaker ones?? shocked shocked shocked

'Faints!'


I think Foxtrot is solid, but in places a bit dated and slow. GEOBF struggles a bit in the middle for example. Still a nice album.

And like I said for The Lamb, I would give Disc 1 a 10/10, as it's breathtakingly masterful. But I'd only give a 6 or 7 to Disc 2. Good stuff, but weaker material.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Arcadia Son on Jul 9th, 2012, 08:36am

on Jul 9th, 2012, 05:20am, NoSonofVine wrote:
I think Foxtrot is solid, but in places a bit dated and slow. GEOBF struggles a bit in the middle for example. Still a nice album.

And like I said for The Lamb, I would give Disc 1 a 10/10, as it's breathtakingly masterful. But I'd only give a 6 or 7 to Disc 2. Good stuff, but weaker material.



shocked Side 3 is one of my favorite album sides ever
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Down And Out on Jul 9th, 2012, 08:40am

on Jul 9th, 2012, 08:36am, Arcadia_Son wrote:
shocked Side 3 is one of my favorite album sides ever

+1. Anyway and The Lamia are awesome tracks as far as I'm concerned. cool

Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Arcadia Son on Jul 9th, 2012, 08:44am

on Jul 9th, 2012, 08:40am, Down And Out wrote:
+1. Anyway and The Lamia are awesome tracks as far as I'm concerned. cool


Not a single weak track on side 3, as far as I'm concerned. Though there aren't really any on the album as a whole, only songs I have to be in the mood for.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by onetwothree on Jul 10th, 2012, 07:00am

Actually I do have a vote for "overrated": FOXTROT. Sure, it's got "Supper's Ready," but it's not like the album maintains that level of quality all the way through. Tracks 2-4 are good just 'cause they're Genesis, but they're hardly the best the Gabriel era has to offer. NURSERY CRYME is a more consistent, perfect album IMO.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Nicholas on Jul 17th, 2012, 09:36am

Over: Selling England By The Pond

I found it a bit of a backward step after Foxtrot which seemed to be the true stepping stone to The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. I like More Fool Me the best but not really keen on a lot of the songs.

Under: Calling All Stations

I think the first five songs in particular are amazing especially the title track and Alien Afternoon.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by XEspmasterX on Jul 17th, 2012, 6:05pm

Overrated: Selling England by the Pound, Invisible Touch
Underrated: Trespass, Wind and Wuthering
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by StarofSirius on Jun 23rd, 2017, 1:21pm

Over: Invisible Touch and We Can't Dance

Under: Trespass and Abacab
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jun 23rd, 2017, 3:45pm

I think time has put things in context for the majority of the albums, they are, all things considered, where they should be, I believe.
Perhaps I could say Trespass is a bit underrated; the sound is outdated, some lyrics are dodgy and they couldn't really play but both atmosphere and material are quite strong imo.
Conversely, I found Abacab overrated, while I would never underestimate the importance of the album and I appreciate the energy it exudes, in terms of material I fiind it quite poor.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by FeelItComing on Jun 23rd, 2017, 5:40pm

An oldd topic to post in!

Overrated: Lamb (reluctantly but I had to choose)

Underraated: Abacab & Genesis

I have finally heard CAS which is probably underrated by most Genesis fans.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jun 24th, 2017, 06:59am

on Jun 30th, 2012, 6:26pm, Arcadia Son wrote:
Interesting. As much as I love IT, it only seems to get a bad rep from those strictly camped in the 'prog' section.


What exactly surprises you about that?
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by onetwothree on Jun 24th, 2017, 11:40am

on Jun 23rd, 2017, 5:40pm, FeelItComing wrote:
I have finally heard CAS which is probably underrated by most Genesis fans.

And pretty much everyone else.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by rael1974 on Jun 24th, 2017, 8:16pm

In my opinion.

Overrated: None.

Underrated: Trespass, Nursery Cryme, ...And Then There Were Three..., and Genesis

I personally find side two of Genesis to be criminally underrated in particular.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by StarofSirius on Jun 25th, 2017, 09:22am

on Jun 23rd, 2017, 3:45pm, Fabrizio wrote:
Conversely, I found Abacab overrated, while I would never underestimate the importance of the album and I appreciate the energy it exudes, in terms of material I fiind it quite poor.

The reason I mentioned Abacab is that I've now seen several people claim it's the worst album Genesis ever made, and while I certainly wouldn't place it in the "essential" category, I think itís definitely the best of the post-Duke era. There are no MTV-ready novelty singles, no bland adult-contemporary ballads, the arrangements have aged fairly well, and it has a punchy, aggressive energy that itís successors mostly lack, as well as what I consider to be some of the best later material (tracks 1, 3, 4 and 5 in particular). Itís not one of my favourites or one that I listen to very often, but I do think itís better than it's given credit for.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Jun 25th, 2017, 11:55am

on Jun 25th, 2017, 09:22am, StarOfSirius wrote:
The reason I mentioned Abacab is that I've now seen several people claim it's the worst album Genesis ever made, and while I certainly wouldn't place it in the "essential" category, I think itís definitely the best of the post-Duke era. There are no MTV-ready novelty singles, no bland adult-contemporary ballads, the arrangements have aged fairly well, and it has a punchy, aggressive energy that itís successors mostly lack, as well as what I consider to be some of the best later material (tracks 1, 3, 4 and 5 in particular). Itís not one of my favourites or one that I listen to very often, but I do think itís better than it's given credit for.

I find all the things you mention on Shapes, particularly the first side and not on Abacab. I don't think that Abacab has anything remotely as strong as Mama and HBTS1&2 on it.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Backdrifter on Aug 4th, 2017, 10:06am

For me, Trick and especially W&W are overrated. Abacab is an odd one as it's so divisive in that it's loved by some and derided by others, with some but not much middle ground. That said, I do think it's underrated by those who dislike it.
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by KiwiDave on Aug 15th, 2017, 12:52am

Overrated: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Underrated: And then there were three

Ok, I'll go hide now. grin
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Aug 15th, 2017, 4:56pm

on Aug 15th, 2017, 12:52am, KiwiDave wrote:
Overrated: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Underrated: And then there were three

Ok, I'll go hide now. grin

We will find you anyway wink
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by foxfeeder on Aug 16th, 2017, 10:22am

on Aug 15th, 2017, 4:56pm, Fabrizio wrote:
We will find you anyway wink


The clue is in the name! wink
Re: Overrated/underrated album
Post by Fabrizio on Aug 16th, 2017, 11:07am

on Aug 16th, 2017, 10:22am, foxfeeder wrote:
The clue is in the name! wink

And not a huge place either rolleyes