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Robbery, Assault and Battery VotesVotesVotes 16 (66%)
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Scenes from a Night's Dream VotesVotesVotes 3 (12%)
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xx The Collins/Banks songs
« Thread started on: Dec 14th, 2017, 7:53pm »

There are only three songs that were credited as Banks/Collins, all three have something in common:

First of all, being largely unpopular (obviously).

Secondly, at least to my ears they all share similarities, in each of the three Phil tries to be something like a fast-racing fusion drummer, which creates a certain hectic feeling.

Neither Tony's nor Phil's solo-credited songs were anything like that and I find that quite remarkable.
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xx Re: The Collins/Banks songs
« Reply #1 on: Dec 14th, 2017, 9:07pm »

From a drummer's point of view all three are a blast to play, but from a purely listening standpoint the one I really love is Wot Gorilla.
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xx Re: The Collins/Banks songs
« Reply #2 on: Dec 14th, 2017, 11:20pm »

I chose Robbery, Assault and Battery. It's just a really cool tune with an absolutely mind melting middle part.

Funny enough just last night I was listening to Scenes From A Night's Dream thinking that it was a lot better than I remembered.
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xx Re: The Collins/Banks songs
« Reply #3 on: Dec 15th, 2017, 03:17am »

i seemed to remember that scenes from a night's dream was written by the whole band, that is, tony, mike and phil. i should revise the album credits one of these days, because my memory fails sometimes.

i've always liked robbery, assault and battery. maybe it's because i first listened to it on 'seconds out', which brings me back many good memories. the humorous lyrics seem to be written by phil, but then again, sometimes tony can get humorous as well (i'm thinking of all in a mouse's night), so who knows...
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 15th, 2017, 04:03am »

on Dec 14th, 2017, 11:20pm, BlinkeredArcade wrote:
I chose Robbery, Assault and Battery. It's just a really cool tune with an absolutely mind melting middle part.

Funny enough just last night I was listening to Scenes From A Night's Dream thinking that it was a lot better than I remembered.


I have always had a soft spot for Scenes From A Night`s Dream.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 15th, 2017, 05:15am »

I voted for "Robbery, Assault and Battery" but "Wot Gorilla" is also fantastic. I do like "Scenes" but it's always been a slightly more forgettable song for me - a pleasant little ditty before the more engaging "Say It's Alright, Joe".
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 15th, 2017, 05:56am »

None of these songs is either a favorite or least favorite of mine (although I do rank "Robbery" lower than the rest of ATOTT). I guess I'll go with "Robbery," as it's so much more complex and interesting than the others.

on Dec 15th, 2017, 03:17am, Kerry95 wrote:
the humorous lyrics seem to be written by phil, but then again, sometimes tony can get humorous as well (i'm thinking of all in a mouse's night), so who knows...

I always used to think Phil wrote the lyrics as well, but I read somewhere recently where Tony claimed them. Phil must have just contributed to the music (specifically the vocal melody, I would guess).
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 15th, 2017, 06:06am »

on Dec 15th, 2017, 05:56am, onetwothree wrote:
None of these songs is either a favorite or least favorite of mine (although I do rank "Robbery" lower than the rest of ATOTT). I guess I'll go with "Robbery," as it's so much more complex and interesting than the others.


I always used to think Phil wrote the lyrics as well, but I read somewhere recently where Tony claimed them. Phil must have just contributed to the music (specifically the vocal melody, I would guess).


I agree, Robbery is definitely the most substantial song, love the middle keyboard stuff in 13/8 though not crazy about the verses and chorus. I much prefer the Seconds Out version, which I actually quite like and look forward to. My assumption would be that Phil got a credit for the drum part during the solo, given that it's fairly prominent, similarly to his work on Wot Gorilla?

Speaking of which, I think Wot Gorilla is a great track, but it just kind of comes and goes, it's a cool bookend to side 1 (reprising 'Vine') and its got some nice keyboard lines but it is relatively minor. I don't see why they couldn't have shortened Your Own Special Way which is more repetitious to develop Wot Gorilla (to include, as Steve claimed, Please Don't Touch). But when I listen to the single version of Your Own Special Way I always feel as if something is missing!

As for Scenes, it's ok, probably my least favourite on 'Three', but I wouldn't say it's bad. I like the swirly backing vocals Phil does and it has some interesting riffs, though it sounds like music Tony would write in his sleep!
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xx Re: The Collins/Banks songs
« Reply #8 on: Dec 15th, 2017, 08:31am »

Hardly the highlights of the respective albums I would say but I enjoy Robbery and Gorilla. The former has funny lyrics and an amazing instrumental mid-section, it flows very well with the rest of the album, although I feel, they should have tried to have the title track and Robbery on different sides. The two of them, arguably the weakest songs of Trick, on the same side, was not a good move imo.
I enjoy Gorilla and I think it is something Genesis should or could have explored more, I reckon Steve would have been delighted. I remember Phil in an interview saying he couldn't believe he was able to make Tony play that.
Scenes is something I always skipped, ever so once in a while I give it a go and try to find some redeeming quality.
Alas, I truly can't find any, the lyrics are imo bad, the verse is forgettable, the chorus is anonymous. Again, imho, one of those songs nobody would talk about if it hadn't the name Genesis on it.
Robbery gets my vote.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 15th, 2017, 09:33am »

My choice would be Robbery, Assault & Battery. I love the instrumental in the middle of the song more than Wot Gorilla. Plus you have to give kudos to the guys for making such a corny video for it! laugh

Scenes From A Nights Dream would be in my top five of the all time worst Genesis songs. It's not even worth talking about IMO.
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 15th, 2017, 5:46pm »

I voted for Robbery but I'm very fond of Scenes. undecided
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xx Re: The Collins/Banks songs
« Reply #11 on: Dec 15th, 2017, 6:53pm »

Wot Gorilla
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 16th, 2017, 04:29am »

I love ‘R,A&B’ and ‘SFAND’. I like ‘WG?’ but I think it would serve its parent album better as a section within a larger composition: perhaps sewn into ‘Unquiet Slumbers’/‘Quiet Earth’, somehow, to make a 10 minute piece for side two of W&W the equivalent of ‘OFTV’?

Anyway, I voted ’R,A&B’. I don’t get the haters. I think it’s excellent!

I have a real soft spot for ‘SFAND’ too. Great music which packs a lot into a short piece. And lyrically it’s sweet. I’ll sing it to my kids whenever that happens. To this end it belongs to a small collection of songs in Prog rock which are like lullabies for children. I’m thinking also of ‘Plastic Dreamer’ from It Bites’s 1988 masterpiece “Once Around The World” and ‘Circus Of Heaven’ by Yes from “Tormato”.

As a sideline I disagree with the post above that all three of these tracks sound like Phil is ‘trying’ to be a fusion drummer. That’s doing the guy a disservice! He IS (or WAS) a fusion drummer. Or could be when he wanted to. A phenomenal player. None of these songs are mere genre exercises for me. All have individual merit!
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 16th, 2017, 08:27am »

on Dec 16th, 2017, 04:29am, ImperialSquonk wrote:
As a sideline I disagree with the post above that all three of these tracks sound like Phil is ‘trying’ to be a fusion drummer. That’s doing the guy a disservice! He IS (or WAS) a fusion drummer. Or could be when he wanted to. A phenomenal player. None of these songs are mere genre exercises for me. All have individual merit!


Yes, the first two Brand X albums showcase like nothing else what an amazing fusion drummer Phil could be when he wanted. Maybe I didn't express myself well enough, I was trying to say it was rather unusual he played like this within Genesis. There are a few examples besides these three songs, Los Endos comes to mind, I just found it noteworthy how all these three Banks/Collins share this fast jazzy fusion drumming as opposed to all Banks and Collins credited songs.
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 16th, 2017, 1:34pm »

on Dec 16th, 2017, 08:27am, Schrottrocker wrote:
Yes, the first two Brand X albums showcase like nothing else what an amazing fusion drummer Phil could be when he wanted. Maybe I didn't express myself well enough, I was trying to say it was rather unusual he played like this within Genesis. There are a few examples besides these three songs, Los Endos comes to mind, I just found it noteworthy how all these three Banks/Collins share this fast jazzy fusion drumming as opposed to all Banks and Collins credited songs.


Yeah, I wasn’t having a pop. Apologies if it came across that way.

‘Naminaunou’ would be another ‘fusion’ type moment for Phil’s drumming.

Doesn’t PC say that Brand X was the height of his drumming in “Not Dead Yet”?

Have we got a ‘Phil’s best drumming’ poll here? ‘Down and Out’ would be up there for me!
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