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« Thread started on: Dec 13th, 2017, 12:45pm »

Hi all,

can anyone tell me what the spooky sounding tune is, being played by Tony in the section after Phil sings 'all by yourself'. I've been trying to work it out for years, but I just can't. It sounds like the melody of another Genesis song.

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« Reply #1 on: Dec 13th, 2017, 6:37pm »

It sounds typical Genesis to me but not like a copy from any particular song. huh The first song that comes to my mind that has a somewhat similar passage would be Say It's Alright Joe with the quiet ending part, Tony plays a similar line there. But there might be more songs with some resembling melody.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 14th, 2017, 05:23am »

It's never occurred to me that bit sounds like another Genesis song.

Whether or not it is, I love that song. The penultimate title sequence is one of my favourite pieces of Genesis music.

Banks can be a pretty gloomy sort of bloke in his Genesis songs. M&SJ is one of a number of examples of his songs featuring a general sense of things coming to some sort of end.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 14th, 2017, 12:20pm »

on Dec 13th, 2017, 6:37pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
It sounds typical Genesis to me but not like a copy from any particular song. huh The first song that comes to my mind that has a somewhat similar passage would be Say It's Alright Joe with the quiet ending part, Tony plays a similar line there. But there might be more songs with some resembling melody.

Same here, I don't think it has to do with another song but it sounds very typical, very Banks. It reminded me of a passage in Driving the last spike but I am sure many more examples can be found.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 15th, 2017, 10:16am »

Thanks for the replies. I think you're probably right. Maybe it's a melody to a song not by Genesis that I've heard in the past. Who knows!
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 17th, 2017, 09:53am »

Best song on the album!

(Damning with feint praise?) undecided
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 18th, 2017, 06:00am »

on Dec 17th, 2017, 09:53am, foxfeeder wrote:
Best song on the album!

(Damning with feint praise?) undecided


Not at all, in my view!
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 18th, 2017, 2:26pm »

on Dec 17th, 2017, 09:53am, foxfeeder wrote:
Best song on the album!


Pretty much.
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 18th, 2017, 2:48pm »

Great song. Fantastic album.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 18th, 2017, 3:04pm »

on Dec 18th, 2017, 2:48pm, TonyEdwards wrote:
Great song. Fantastic album.

I was actually going in the complete opposite direction: MASJ is imo the best song of the album by far but it is also far from Tony's best songs or their best songs. Of course tastes differ but for my money, this goes to show how weak the material on that album is.
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 18th, 2017, 3:41pm »

on Dec 18th, 2017, 3:04pm, Fabrizio wrote:
I was actually going in the complete opposite direction: MASJ is imo the best song of the album by far but it is also far from Tony's best songs or their best songs. Of course tastes differ but for my money, this goes to show how weak the material on that album is.


Completely disagree. I'm a fan of all eras of the band (the 4-man era is my favourite), and I listen to Abacab more than any other Genesis album these days. I love the production, and Abacab, M&SJ, Keep It Dark, Dodo/Lurker are outstanding. There isn't a weak track on the album, although the inclusion of the sublime You Might Recall would have made it even better!
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 18th, 2017, 3:50pm »

on Dec 18th, 2017, 3:41pm, TonyEdwards wrote:
Completely disagree. I'm a fan of all eras of the band (the 4-man era is my favourite), and I listen to Abacab more than any other Genesis album these days. I love the production, and Abacab, M&SJ, Keep It Dark, Dodo/Lurker are outstanding. There isn't a weak track on the album, although the inclusion of the sublime You Might Recall would have made it even better!

Great production, great sound and amazing energy.
I like the ones you mentioned, although I would not call them outstanding personally, meaning they don't stand out in the Genesis songbook imo. That goes for all the eras.
The rest, including the title track, is incredibly weak for me and seems to have let no particular trace. I agree that You might recall would have improved the album.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 19th, 2017, 03:30am »

on Dec 18th, 2017, 3:41pm, TonyEdwards wrote:
Completely disagree. I'm a fan of all eras of the band (the 4-man era is my favourite), and I listen to Abacab more than any other Genesis album these days. I love the production, and Abacab, M&SJ, Keep It Dark, Dodo/Lurker are outstanding. There isn't a weak track on the album, although the inclusion of the sublime You Might Recall would have made it even better!


I'm largely with you on Abacab. I think it's a mark of their energy and creativity on these sessions that they felt they could leave out two excellent tracks - Recall and Submarine - and two good ones, Paperlate and Naminanu. I can't think which of those I'd include in a revised tracklisting without turning it into an overlong album, which I'm guessing is something they wanted to avoid. Like you, I listen a lot to this stuff, though I don't often listen to the whole album straight though.

I do think M&SJ is one of TB's best 3 tracks, along with Afterglow and Many Too Many.
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 19th, 2017, 09:25am »

on Dec 19th, 2017, 03:30am, Backdrifter wrote:
I'm largely with you on Abacab. I think it's a mark of their energy and creativity on these sessions that they felt they could leave out two excellent tracks - Recall and Submarine - and two good ones, Paperlate and Naminanu. I can't think which of those I'd include in a revised tracklisting without turning it into an overlong album, which I'm guessing is something they wanted to avoid. Like you, I listen a lot to this stuff, though I don't often listen to the whole album straight though.

I do think M&SJ is one of TB's best 3 tracks, along with Afterglow and Many Too Many.

I perceive Abacab as a much needed adrenaline shot and because of the energy and novelty it exudes, I am more likely to listen to it than to IT whose material is imo incredibly tight, who can deny all those singles and that amount of success after all? Still, IT was far too poppy for my taste, too sleek, a bit soulless and without the egde Abacab and Shapes still had.
I am always amazed though when fans extoll the virtues of the songs on Abacab per se and quote stuff like Another Record or Like it or Not, NRAA or even Paperlate: songs which were not commercially successful, were generally disliked by the ''old' fans and were quickly dropped by the band. Purely a coincidence maybe but leaving personally likes and dislikes aside, the only song that could have made sense during the 07 Reunion Tour would have been Abacab....Perhaps. They couldn't be bothered. And sure, I would have liked to listen to MASJ, Dodo, even KID but I know they are not essential in their songbook. Still a pleasant listen for my money but I have to cringe when I read there was not a weak song on it, in terms of weakness of material it is imo absolutely comparable to ATTW3 but this, had at least a song Genesis have to play no matter where or when.
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 19th, 2017, 10:36am »

on Dec 19th, 2017, 09:25am, Fabrizio wrote:
stuff like Another Record or Like it or Not, NRAA or even Paperlate: songs which were not commercially successful

Commercial success does not necessarily equate to quality. Trespass wasn't a commercial success, but in my opinion is a work of great artistic merit.

Of the songs you mention:

- Paperlate was a Top 10 hit in the UK and a Top 40 hit in the US;
- No Reply At All was a Top 40 hit in the US (wasn't released in the UK); and
- Another Record and Like It Or Not were not released as singles, so I'm not sure how we're supposed to assess their "commercial success".
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