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xx Bits you've never been able to work out
« Thread started on: Jul 26th, 2017, 05:17am »

Are there any bits of Genesis songs where you've never been able to fathom what's being sung/played/etc? Those moments that have maybe always bugged you.

e.g. for me: Lilywhite Lilith, a couple of seconds after the line "...by whatever's coming here" there's what sounds to me like a bit of vocal very far back in the mix. If it's there, is it actual words, or just vocalising? Or if it isn't a vocal, what is it?

Similarly, another "is it a vocal?" bit: Keep It Dark, the brief percussive breakdown segment at the end of the second chorus, where the title line is sung. Are there low chanting voices in time with the percussion? It sounds to me like voices going 'uh-uh uh-uh uh-uh'. Or is it a chance effect of the percussion, making a sound like voices?

Not quite the same sort of thing but also on the Abacab album, it's always intrigued and amused me that in Man On The Corner PC opts for the odd pronunciation "no hiding place... faow you".
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 27th, 2017, 02:56am »

There's a bunch of bits Mr Tony Banks plays I still itch to find out: The keyboard rhythm playing and the odd time-signature shifts in 'Colony of Slippermen', the keyboard figures in 'All in a Mouse's Night' (particularly the "Mouse" verses), all the details of the hammond chords in 'Firth of Fifth'... In the past I already played some songs slowed down to find out some lines he plays, there's one really tricky fast line in 'Wot Gorilla' that I had to play in half speed to find out all the notes of it, and the synth/guitar double solo in 'Moonlit Knight' and the hammond chords to it really gave me a headache but I worked my way through it at a time because I bothered me for the hell of it.
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 27th, 2017, 08:33am »

on Jul 26th, 2017, 05:17am, Backdrifter wrote:
e.g. for me: Lilywhite Lilith, a couple of seconds after the line "...by whatever's coming here" there's what sounds to me like a bit of vocal very far back in the mix. If it's there, is it actual words, or just vocalising? Or if it isn't a vocal, what is it?


That's interesting... I've never noticed it before. That's definitely Pete singing a background melody way back there. Can't quite tell if he's singing words or just some sort of scat vocal. I wonder if it appears in the original mix.
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 28th, 2017, 04:14am »

on Jul 27th, 2017, 08:33am, snowdog wrote:
That's interesting... I've never noticed it before. That's definitely Pete singing a background melody way back there. Can't quite tell if he's singing words or just some sort of scat vocal. I wonder if it appears in the original mix.

I think you're right, it's PG and I think probably a bit of scat vocal. It was definitely in the original mix; I even remember hearing it as a child, listening to the album in the late 70s. I think it has actually been made more prominent in the 2008 remaster, which in itself is interesting.

Oh, and in the same song, just before the bit we're talking about, even less distinct and very fleeting - the line "I can see the corner of the tunnel", immediately after "tunnel" there's a really brief split-second of what sounds like a voice saying "ah" or "I". This might be more so in the original mix, I'll have to check.
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 28th, 2017, 12:02pm »

The way Peter sings/says in Suppers Ready, "You can tell he's doing well by the look in human eyes" always trips me out.
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 28th, 2017, 4:27pm »

on Jul 28th, 2017, 04:14am, Backdrifter wrote:
Oh, and in the same song, just before the bit we're talking about, even less distinct and very fleeting - the line "I can see the corner of the tunnel", immediately after "tunnel" there's a really brief split-second of what sounds like a voice saying "ah" or "I". This might be more so in the original mix, I'll have to check.


I think it's all part of that same backing track. In fact, Pete seems to start at "...hear a whirring sound growing near". It sounds like he's singing something like "nuh, na-nuh, na-nuh".

Thanks, it's great to hear something new in these recordings after several decades of listening!
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 28th, 2017, 4:35pm »

on Jul 26th, 2017, 05:17am, Backdrifter wrote:
Similarly, another "is it a vocal?" bit: Keep It Dark, the brief percussive breakdown segment at the end of the second chorus, where the title line is sung. Are there low chanting voices in time with the percussion? It sounds to me like voices going 'uh-uh uh-uh uh-uh'. Or is it a chance effect of the percussion, making a sound like voices?


I think that's probably some loosely tuned drums or maybe the drum machine going through an effects processor. You're right, it's only on the second breakdown. I also listened to it on the "Abacab Complete" mix, but it's not as loud there. Interesting details that I tend not to notice.

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« Reply #7 on: Jul 29th, 2017, 07:38am »

"Fields of incentive covered with green."

What is a "field of incentive"?
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 29th, 2017, 11:39pm »

on Jul 29th, 2017, 07:38am, NoSonOfVine wrote:
"Fields of incentive covered with green."

What is a "field of incentive"?


Not sure. Marijuana, maybe? cool
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 30th, 2017, 11:45am »

The instrumental in TTT. Not that I don't "get" it as such, it's just crap, and ruins the song for me.
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 31st, 2017, 11:06am »

on Jul 29th, 2017, 07:38am, NoSonOfVine wrote:
"Fields of incentive covered with green."

What is a "field of incentive"?


Possibly a reference to money? The theme of the song is medical treatment that needs paying for, and the pound note back in the 70's was green, as worn by Peter Gabriel! grin
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 31st, 2017, 4:34pm »

on Jul 30th, 2017, 11:45am, OnTheShoreline wrote:
The instrumental in TTT. Not that I don't "get" it as such, it's just crap, and ruins the song for me.

I'm the opposite, I really like that instrumental. But I think you're in good company. The band themselves didn't like it, hence their dropping it after the IT tour.
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 31st, 2017, 5:39pm »

on second home by the sea, between 0:14 and 0:25, mike's guitar notes sound increasingly low. this aspect was slightly improved in the 2007 remixes, but still...
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 1st, 2017, 03:11am »

I find it quite hard to follow the twists and turns of the guitar line in the choruses of It's Gonna Get Better. Maybe that's just me, but whatever the reason, I wouldn't be able to hum it!

The distant vocal just before Los Endos fades out: is it "Angel get back home" or "Angel take me back home" or something else?

I recall an interview in a Genesis Fanclub mag with PC saying they put that in as they wanted to do a "Paul is dead" type of thing about PG.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 1st, 2017, 03:19am »

on Jul 27th, 2017, 02:56am, Schrottrocker wrote:
The keyboard rhythm playing and the odd time-signature shifts in 'Colony of Slippermen'

Yes the keyboard rhythm has always intrigued me on that one.

Perhaps this is a different thread topic but that track has one of my favourite slightly odd moments of any Genesis track, the two rapid drum breaks just after "one hell of a fright" that completely disrupt the whole rhythm of the track at that point. I suppose they're meant the signify the 'fright' but I love how they break it up.
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