Board Logo
« Remasters question »

Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
Feb 22nd, 2018, 2:54pm



« Previous Topic | Next Topic »
Pages: 1 2  Notify Send Topic Print
 hotthread  Author  Topic: Remasters question  (Read 2086 times)
BlinkeredArcade
Moonlit Knight
ImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

I'd give you all of my dreams, if you'd help me find a door


PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 73
xx Remasters question
« Thread started on: May 2nd, 2017, 12:42pm »

I see a lot about the remasters (especially how bad the 2007s are) and I'm really not sure how many times genesis' stuff has been reissued and remastered. Was curious what are the best versions of The Lamb, Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering to get.

I have all three of those albums on Vinyl (originals from 70s) and I adore the sound of those. I just love listening to them when I out driving and want the best versions for that.
« Last Edit: May 2nd, 2017, 12:44pm by BlinkeredArcade » User IP Logged

BUT IF YOU DON'T STAND UP YOU DON'T STAND A CHANCE.
CyanideWand
Duke/Duchess
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

"There's a smell of peach blossoms and bitter almond."


PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 280
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #1 on: May 2nd, 2017, 12:51pm »

For those three, I would get the 1994 Definitive Edition remasters.

If you want to get two copies of The Lamb, the 2007 remix has some merit and is worth hearing, but I prefer the original. The other two albums you listed are too loud and compressed in the remixes.
« Last Edit: May 2nd, 2017, 12:53pm by CyanideWand » User IP Logged

User Image
BlinkeredArcade
Moonlit Knight
ImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

I'd give you all of my dreams, if you'd help me find a door


PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 73
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #2 on: May 2nd, 2017, 1:27pm »

on May 2nd, 2017, 12:51pm, CyanideWand wrote:
For those three, I would get the 1994 Definitive Edition remasters.

If you want to get two copies of The Lamb, the 2007 remix has some merit and is worth hearing, but I prefer the original. The other two albums you listed are too loud and compressed in the remixes.


Thanks I will hunt those down!
User IP Logged

BUT IF YOU DON'T STAND UP YOU DON'T STAND A CHANCE.
Yild4Genesis
Lord/Lady of Lords
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




Homepage PM


Posts: 3504
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #3 on: May 2nd, 2017, 3:43pm »

I prefer the 2007 remasters for both the sound and the extras
User IP Logged

I wrote the last entry in my diary today. It simply said...bugger
CyanideWand
Duke/Duchess
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

"There's a smell of peach blossoms and bitter almond."


PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 280
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #4 on: May 2nd, 2017, 3:49pm »

Personally, I thought they practically ruined A Trick of the Tail. The remix didn't sound like the same album to me at all. The blue box was very compressed and the dynamics were destroyed, in my opinion.

The green box wasn't bad (it was clearer in sound, although some bits here and there were different), and I also thought the red box was an improvement.
« Last Edit: May 2nd, 2017, 3:50pm by CyanideWand » User IP Logged

User Image
WinstonWolf
Lord/Lady of Lords
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 506
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #5 on: May 2nd, 2017, 5:17pm »

I'd get the 1994 remasters of those three (Trick and Wind for sure), but I agree with Cyanide that the 2007 remix of the Lamb is equally good, just different.

When speaking just about the stereo mixes the only "blue box" album I prefer over the original mix is And Then There Were Three.
User IP Logged

Phil Collins: 9/90 - Chapel Hill
6/94 - Raleigh
9/04 - Washington DC
Peter Gabriel: 6/03 - Washington DC
Genesis: 9/07 - Washington DC
Musical Box: 11/11 - Philadelphia
7/14 - Asheville
Steve Hackett 10/13 - Philadelphia
11/14 - Philadelphia
CyanideWand
Duke/Duchess
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

"There's a smell of peach blossoms and bitter almond."


PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 280
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #6 on: May 3rd, 2017, 2:57pm »

This topic inspired me to head over to Steve Hoffman forums and see what the people there had to say. I see a lot of talk about how the Definitive Edition remasters are not as good as previous CD versions.

However, I must have thought they sounded better when I bought them or I wouldn't have gotten rid of my originals.

Does anyone here prefer Virgin/Charisma or other versions of the CDs to the 1994 DE remasters?
User IP Logged

User Image
snowdog
Eleventh Earl of Mar
ImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

My hopes are as the leaves upon the water.


Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 242
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #7 on: May 3rd, 2017, 5:54pm »

It is a controversial topic of Hoffman forum, but I think the Definitive Editions Remasters sound great! It was the early 90's, so the new versions were a bit louder, but not over-compressed. The Loudness Wars was just a storm brewing on the horizon at the time. If you're an Abacab fan, I highly recommend the Atlantic Gold Series remaster from 1992. It can be a bit pricey on eBay, but to my admittedly untrained ears, it sounds amazing.

User IP Logged

Maybe when you're older and you're thinking back, you might recall.
CyanideWand
Duke/Duchess
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

"There's a smell of peach blossoms and bitter almond."


PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 280
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #8 on: May 3rd, 2017, 6:54pm »

I've read that the noise reduction apparently erased certain parts of the music, but I never noticed anything.

The only original Atlantic CD I own is Three Sides Live because I like the fourth studio side. I just did a comparison of the opening track and on the DE Remaster the drums and bass seem louder and the voice is clearer with more tone.

The 2007 remix is best of all, but I think most agree a good job was done remixing the live albums.
« Last Edit: May 3rd, 2017, 6:56pm by CyanideWand » User IP Logged

User Image
Shipwrecked
Duke/Duchess
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 358
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #9 on: May 3rd, 2017, 7:24pm »

on May 2nd, 2017, 3:43pm, Yild4Genesis wrote:
I prefer the 2007 remasters for both the sound and the extras

Same here.
User IP Logged

Billys_Number
Duke/Duchess
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 474
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #10 on: May 22nd, 2017, 09:12am »

It's kind of interesting to see all the differing opinions on here regarding what versions to use!

I was first exposed to the 1994 remasters, and I have always felt they sounded a bit...weak/soft, and a few albums (like W&W and IT) sounded a bit too...mashed together and muddy, not allowing much breathing room for the mixes.

IMO the boxsets are the best versions. I will agree that there were some noticeable compression issues on the blue box (late 70's)-namely ATTWT, and on certain individual tracks in W&W and Duke. I won't deny that a remaster done now with today's technology would sound much better, but for the most part I felt these remixes gave each track a new brightness, more power in the low range (the bass pedals have so much more power now) and the tracks are much more expanded and background sounds have much more breathing room in the mix. The PG era box sounded incredible IMO, don't see why there'd be any issues on that one. And the Red (80's/90's era) box also sounds surprisingly better, considering it is later material.

The important thing for me to mention here is that I most often listen to them in 5.1 Surround sound-in which I believe they sound fantastic!!

Like I said, they are not without certain issues-but those are mainly in select parts of the blue boxset. Here are my favorites in terms of sound improvement:

Best overall sound improvement: W&W

Best overall boxset in terms of improvement: 1970-1975 (the improvement in Trespass alone says it all!)

Best surround sound mix: TLLDOB, W&W, and Duke

Most surprising improvement (meaning the album that I most assumed couldn't be improved but was): Invisible Touch

These are all opinions of course, but put together with the extras discs containing all those b-sides remixed as well, I felt these were great releases. Again the only one I wish they'd go back and redo would be ATTWT.
« Last Edit: May 23rd, 2017, 09:06am by Billys_Number » User IP Logged

"...the thing I hate...is staying up late, to watch some debate, on some nation's fate..."
FivePastNine
Harlequin
Image


member is offline

Avatar




PM


Posts: 9
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #11 on: May 22nd, 2017, 8:26pm »

Can't comment on the surround sound mixes. But in my view, all of the 2007/08 stereo mixes are inferior, with only Trespass being debatable. These albums need remastering from the original masters.
User IP Logged

FivePastNine
Harlequin
Image


member is offline

Avatar




PM


Posts: 9
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #12 on: May 22nd, 2017, 8:33pm »

on May 22nd, 2017, 09:12am, Billys_Number wrote:
Most surprising improvement (meaning the album that I most assumed couldn't be improved but was): Invisible Touch.


I would recommend listening to the Invisible Touch album tracks on the R-Kive compilation (2014). They are remastered versions of the original mixes. And they sound infinitely better than the 2007 mixes. When even the band itself decides to abandon the new mixes so soon after, you know something has gone wrong somewhere.
User IP Logged

Yild4Genesis
Lord/Lady of Lords
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




Homepage PM


Posts: 3504
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #13 on: May 22nd, 2017, 9:26pm »

on May 22nd, 2017, 8:26pm, FivePastNine wrote:
Can't comment on the surround sound mixes. But in my view, all of the 2007/08 stereo mixes are inferior, with only Trespass being debatable. These albums need remastering from the original masters.


If they weren't remastered from the original masters, what were they mastered from??
User IP Logged

I wrote the last entry in my diary today. It simply said...bugger
FivePastNine
Harlequin
Image


member is offline

Avatar




PM


Posts: 9
xx Re: Remasters question
« Reply #14 on: May 23rd, 2017, 05:41am »

on May 22nd, 2017, 9:26pm, Yild4Genesis wrote:
If they weren't remastered from the original masters, what were they mastered from??


For the 2007/08 releases, the multitrack tapes from all the recording sessions for each album were digitised and brand new mixes were created in 5.1 and stereo, and then that mix was mastered.

The original master tapes, which contain the original mixes of each album, were untouched.
User IP Logged

Pages: 1 2  Notify Send Topic Print
« Previous Topic | Next Topic »

Donate $6.99 for 50,000 Ad-Free Pageviews!

| |

This forum powered for FREE by Conforums ©
Sign up for your own Free Message Board today!
Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | Conforums Support | Parental Controls