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« Thread started on: Feb 9th, 2017, 07:47am »

Just reading in the In Too Deep vs Hold On My Heart thread that the working title of HOMH was 'Bacharach' or 'Burt' got thinking, does anybody have a list of what all the known working titles were for all the Genesis songs?
I appreciate this list would be pretty large, but it'd be great to have a definitive reference list.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 9th, 2017, 08:45am »

i remember a few, mostly from 'we can't dance'.

no son of mine - elephantus
driving the last spike - irish
i can't dance - blue jeans
never a time - bb hit
tell me why - rickenbacker
hold on my heart - bacharach
since i lost you - song for connor
tonight, tonight, tonigh - monkey zulu
second home by the sea - heavy simmons
keep it dark - odd synth (?)
dodo/lurker - german

those titles were listed in the wikipedia entries for every genesis studio album, but it seems like some jerk deleted them. did that information bother anyone? angry
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 9th, 2017, 09:22am »

I'll contribute a few I know off the top of me head:

The Knife - The Nice
Can Utility & the Coastliners - Bye Bye Johnny
Squonk - Indians
It's Yourself - Beloved Summer
Abacab - Abacab
No Reply at All - Nationwide
Me & Sarah Jane - Spike
Keep it Dark - Odd
Dodo/Lurker - German I/II
Who Dunnit? - WeirdSynth
Tonight Tonight Tonight - Monkey/Zulu
No Son of Mine - Elephantus
Jesus He Knows Me - Do The New Thing
Driving the Last Spike - Irish
I Can't Dance - Blue Jeans
Never a Time - BB Hit
Dreaming While You Sleep - Rolling Toms
Hold on My Heart - Burt (as mentioned above)
Hearts on Fire - Face/Body(?)
Fading Lights - Nile
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 9th, 2017, 10:07am »

Great, thanks for those. smiley

The ones I know are all from Duke, or the Duke sessions, apart from Another Record that is, anyway, here they are:

Behind The Lines: Duke
Duchess: Drum Machine
Guide Vocal: AC-DC
Man Of Our Times: Dark Green
Misunderstanding: OT OT
Heathaze: Heat Haze
Turn It On Again: Tamia
Alone Tonight: South Coast
Cul-De-Sac: P.F.J.
Please Don't Ask: Please Don't Ask
Duke's Travels: Swish Jazz
Duke's End: Duke’s End
Evidence Of Autumn: Bring Out Your Dead
Another Record: Westside
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 9th, 2017, 11:18am »

Dusk - Family
ending section of Dancing Out With The Moonlit Knight - Disney
The Waiting Room - Evil Jam
The Colony of Slippermen (Arrival) - Chinese Jam

and I think Firth of Fifth was called "River" or sth similar.
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 9th, 2017, 1:40pm »

on Feb 9th, 2017, 10:07am, Dougal wrote:
Duchess: Drum Machine


i didn't know about this one. it makes sense, because it was the first time they used a drum machine, so it was a new thing for them.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 10th, 2017, 02:34am »

Fly On A Windshield - Pharaoes
You Might Recall - Jangly
Me & Virgil - Chunky
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 16th, 2017, 10:12am »

Thanks for all of those.
I’ve just realised that Polo’s discography website has some working titles listed as well, here’s the one’s he has listed that haven’t already been mentioned above

Firth Of Fifth - from 'The Block'
The Battle Of Epping Forest - from 'The Block'
Eleventh Earl Of Mar - Scottish
Man On The Corner - Lonely Man
Like It Or Not - Don
Throwing It All Away - Zeppo
Living Forever – Hip Hop Brushes
Way Of The World – Spaghetti West

He lists ‘Jesus He Knows Me’ as ‘Do The New One’, as opposed to ‘Do The New Thing’ as listed by foxtwin.
He also lists ‘Second Home By The Sea’ as ‘Heavy Simmons Vibe’, as opposed to just ‘Heavy Simmons’ as Kerry 95 lists.
And finally, he puts ‘Firth Of Fifth’ and ‘The Battle Of Epping Forest’ as from 'The Block', suggesting that the come from the same piece originally maybehuh

As an aside, I find it interesting that the working title of ‘Throwing It All Away’ is listed as ‘Zeppo’, which would tie in my recollection that ‘Throwing It All Away’ originally started life as a much heavier track in the style of Led Zeppelin. It was discussed briefly in the ‘Invisible Touch-Hit or Miss?’ thread.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 16th, 2017, 11:22am »

on Feb 16th, 2017, 10:12am, Dougal wrote:
As an aside, I find it interesting that the working title of ‘Throwing It All Away’ is listed as ‘Zeppo’, which would tie in my recollection that ‘Throwing It All Away’ originally started life as a much heavier track in the style of Led Zeppelin. It was discussed briefly in the ‘Invisible Touch-Hit or Miss?’ thread.
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in fact, the live versions of throwing it all away start with a hard rock guitar riff, which gets gradually softer while phil sings the "deedaday" thing and the other instruments come in.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 16th, 2017, 7:50pm »

on Feb 16th, 2017, 10:12am, Dougal wrote:
And finally, he puts ‘Firth Of Fifth’ and ‘The Battle Of Epping Forest’ as from 'The Block', suggesting that the come from the same piece originally maybehuh


There has to be some very old thread where I asked for this particularly.

These two songs cannot possibly be derived from one mother piece. This seems to be a confusion with Moonlit Knight and Cinema Show, these two were indeed supposed to be connected to one song originally.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 16th, 2017, 9:29pm »

"Who Dunnit" - They're gonna love this one
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 17th, 2017, 04:56am »

on Feb 16th, 2017, 9:29pm, HENRY wrote:
"Who Dunnit" - They're gonna love this one

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« Reply #12 on: Feb 18th, 2017, 6:12pm »

on Feb 16th, 2017, 9:29pm, HENRY wrote:
"Who Dunnit" - They're gonna love this one


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« Reply #13 on: Feb 24th, 2017, 2:04pm »

certain genesis songs are about a very specific topic (the british railway on driving the last spike, tv evangelists on jesus he knows me...). it would seem like they had previously decided to write a song about that particular matter.

however, the working titles suggest that they still didn't know what those songs would be about. it seems odd to me that they wrote a piece of music in progress called irish, and at a given moment phil -in this case- said: "guys, i think i'll write a lyric about the railway construction, it will fit this music perfectly!".

what do you think?
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 24th, 2017, 5:29pm »

The main reason will be they always created music first and never lyrics first.
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