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« Thread started on: Nov 28th, 2012, 5:32pm »

Oh my ... I just heard the song "Open Door" for the first time. It's on the 1976-1982 Extra Track CD with the box set. Apparently it was an unreleased track from the Duke sessions - what an amazing song!!! I can't believe they didn't include it on Duke or Abacab. So emotional ... does anyone know who wrote "Open Door"?
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 28th, 2012, 5:35pm »

Mike wrote it and funnily enough, I've just finished listening to that extra's disc myself!! cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 28th, 2012, 6:12pm »

I agree, it's a very elegant song. It was also the first Genesis B-side I ever listened to. Before joining this forum, I used to research Genesis a lot because at the time I was utterly obsessed with them (the Collins era predominantly). One day, I was going through the Wikipedia articles for the Genesis singles to read the names of all the B-sides, and for Duchess, it was Open Door. At the time, Duchess was my favourite Genesis song (I had yet to hear songs like Dance On A Volcano and One For The Vine) and so I decided to listen to the track on YouTube, and I loved it, and still do. smiley
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 28th, 2012, 7:16pm »

I think it's a beautiful song, and one of Phil's best vocal performances.

I grew up with this being the closing song of Three Sides Live, so it takes me back a long way to remember this being a "new" song for me, but I'm envious of your new discovery.

I don't mean it as a slight in any way, but I just can't figure WHERE this song would have quite fit on Duke without some significant changes in track listing and order.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 29th, 2012, 02:55am »

I think it's a nice little song and I prefer it to some of the material that did make Duke. But I wouldn't personally describe it as "amazing". wink
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 29th, 2012, 06:39am »

Genesis has had lots of amazing B-side songs. "Open Door" isn't even that high on my personal list.

In my early record-collecting days (late '70s/early '80s) Genesis did a lot to get me fascinated with the whole concept of the non-album B-side. To my recollection, the first one I actually got my hands on was "Inside & Out." I originally only knew it as the U.S. B-side of FYFM and knew nothing of SPOT THE PIGEON. (I'll never forget the feeling of finally getting my hands on that record, either.)
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 29th, 2012, 06:47am »

The largely forgotten B-side Vancouver is also very pretty and mystical. smiley
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 29th, 2012, 06:52am »

on Nov 29th, 2012, 06:47am, NoSonofVine wrote:
The largely forgotten B-side Vancouver is also very pretty and mystical. smiley

Another lovely song. I've always thought that the Many Too Many EP is great as I also love The Day The Light Went Out. cool
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 29th, 2012, 07:02am »

on Nov 29th, 2012, 06:52am, Down And Out wrote:
Another lovely song. I've always thought that the Many Too Many EP is great as I also love The Day The Light Went Out. cool


Conversely, I think "Many too Many" might be my least favourite Genesis single, and TDTLWO and "Vancouver" two of my least favourite Genesis B-sides tongue tongue grin


"Open Door" is great, but IMO not as good as "Evidence of Autumn" which was also a B-side from the Duke sessions (written by Tony). I also don't think they are quite as good as their counterparts, the Mike and Tony songs which did make it onto Duke (particularly the Tony songs - "Heathaze" and "Cul-de-sac" take an awful lot to beat in my book wink).
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 29th, 2012, 09:26am »

on Nov 29th, 2012, 07:02am, Merryman72 wrote:
Conversely, I think "Many too Many" might be my least favourite Genesis single, and TDTLWO and "Vancouver" two of my least favourite Genesis B-sides tongue tongue grin


"Open Door" is great, but IMO not as good as "Evidence of Autumn" which was also a B-side from the Duke sessions (written by Tony). I also don't think they are quite as good as their counterparts, the Mike and Tony songs which did make it onto Duke (particularly the Tony songs - "Heathaze" and "Cul-de-sac" take an awful lot to beat in my book wink).

Apologies Merryman72 but I've forgotten where you stand on the whole ATTWT debate. embarassed Do you really like it, like for example NoSonOfVine, Gabble Ratchet, Chessman and myself, amongst others? Or are you in the majority in thinking it is one of the worst ever Genesis albums? Perhaps you are somewhere in the middle? undecided
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 29th, 2012, 09:47am »

I always loved Open Door and I never quite understood why it didn't end up on the album
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 29th, 2012, 10:49am »

on Nov 29th, 2012, 09:26am, Down And Out wrote:
Apologies Merryman72 but I've forgotten where you stand on the whole ATTWT debate. embarassed Do you really like it, like for example NoSonOfVine, Gabble Ratchet, Chessman and myself, amongst others? Or are you in the majority in thinking it is one of the worst ever Genesis albums? Perhaps you are somewhere in the middle? undecided


I love it! But then I love all Genesis albums from Trespass onwards... I think it is slightly weaker than its neighbours ATOTT, W&W and Duke; and that is mainly because "Many Too Many" and "Ballad of Big" don't really do much for me. "Say It's Alright, Joe", on the other hand, is one of my very favourite 3-man songs smiley

I must add that I am currently listening to ATTWT now and am, as often happens, slightly surprised by just how good it is grin
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 29th, 2012, 11:59am »

ATTW3 was the album that got me into Genesis and put my future career in motion.

When I was 6 (back in 1979), I used to spend a lot of time at my Nan's. My auntie had a record player and big collection but she always used to play this album, particularly Side 2.

But it was the big long drum fill at the beginning of Burning Rope that excited me and I asked my Mum if I could learn drums. I got a snare that Christmas so I could learn my rudiments and I've been in bands since I was 16 and been pro since. Thanks Phil!!! grin It will always be my favourite because it holds too much sentimental value. It saddens me slightly when the band dismiss it. ATTW3 has a mysterious, powerful atmosphere that they never managed to quite recreate again. For me, Burning Rope and Deep in The Motherlode are the best continuous 12 minutes in their entire catalogue.

However, I do think the ATTW3 B-sides are amongst their weakest tracks, particularly Vancouver. sad
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 29th, 2012, 3:52pm »

Open Door was first released on the fourth side resp. second half of CD 2 on Three Sides Live, along with Paperlate, You Might Recall, Me and Virgil, and Evidence of Autumn. On later editions, Three Sides Live was changed to a disguised Four Sides Live with older live versions of One For The Vine, Fountain of Salmacis, and it/Watcher of the Skies replacing these 5 non-album tracks. Which is why I bought Three Sides Live twice. tongue smiley
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 30th, 2012, 02:35am »

on Nov 29th, 2012, 3:52pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
... Which is why I bought Three Sides Live twice. tongue smiley

Seven Sides Live? grin wink
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