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« Thread started on: Oct 2nd, 2017, 08:44am »

Over 50 dead and over 500 injured. To anyone on the forum affected by this heartless act of evil, you are within our thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 2nd, 2017, 11:58am »

What has the world come to? It makes you not want to go out in public anymore. We cannot just live in fear constantly. Are we being forced to become an armed society in order to defend ourselves, not just for our own protection, but to thwart these attacks by the apparently increasingly high number of insane members of society? I just sit here and imagine how those hundreds of families are reacting to the news of their loved ones either being murdered in cold blood, or at the very least seriously wounded by a madman's bullets. What can be done when a crazed lunatic is willing to die for his/her unthinkable crime? From what I understand, they've arrested a woman who may have been an accomplice.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 2nd, 2017, 2:10pm »

This is sickening indeed!... sad The worst ever in America.

The death toll is rising now to 58..

They should raise the price of one bullet to $1000 a piece.
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 2nd, 2017, 2:35pm »

on Oct 2nd, 2017, 2:10pm, Noni wrote:
They should raise the price of one bullet to $1000 a piece.

That’s not such a bad idea.
Alternatively, the “right to bear arms” should cover only those arms that were available when the constitution was actually written, not high-powered weapons that were never envisaged by its authors. That would at least stop this scale of massacre, but it won’t happen.
If some guy in his 60s living in a retirement complex can suddenly snap & kill 60 people, any can - & plenty more will in due course ... rolleyes
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 2nd, 2017, 5:10pm »

Stephen Paddock the shooter in the Las Vegas shootings, his father Benjamin Hoskins Paddock was a violent bank robber and diagnosed psychopath..
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 3rd, 2017, 05:39am »

America believes Kinder Surprise eggs and brie are 'more DANGEROUS' than semi-automatic assault rifles used in Las Vegas slaughter. Both these items are banned in America. huh

What a strange place we live in.
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 3rd, 2017, 7:28pm »

The final death and injury toll appears to have been settled for now: 60 dead, 527 injured. So, 587 people shot. This is a national disgrace and there is blood on the hands of the NRA, an organisation guilty of scaring an enormous number of American citizens into purchasing and stocking up multiple guns until cities are flooded with them, and on the hands of every politician in America who has refused to support basic legislation that would put obstacles in the path of killers trying to get those guns.

Yes, criminals will always be able to get guns. Just like people will always be able to drugs. Making them illegal doesn't mean they no longer exist. But that's not the problem. The problem is that there are too many people willing to give them out. Too many stores and too many traffickers. Too many online sellers and backstreet dealers. That's what needs to be dealt with, and gun control would help found out where the guns are coming from and which stores aren't passing background checks. Shameful that so little has been done.
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 3rd, 2017, 9:01pm »

on Oct 3rd, 2017, 7:28pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
The final death and injury toll appears to have been settled for now: 60 dead, 527 injured. So, 587 people shot. This is a national disgrace and there is blood on the hands of the NRA, an organisation guilty of scaring an enormous number of American citizens into purchasing and stocking up multiple guns until cities are flooded with them, and on the hands of every politician in America who has refused to support basic legislation that would put obstacles in the path of killers trying to get those guns.
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Yes, criminals will always be able to get guns. Just like people will always be able to drugs. Making them illegal doesn't mean they no longer exist. But that's not the problem. The problem is that there are too many people willing to give them out. Too many stores and too many traffickers. Too many online sellers and backstreet dealers. That's what needs to be dealt with, and gun control would help found out where the guns are coming from and which stores aren't passing background checks. Shameful that so little has been done.


I agree with you NSOV, but ssshhh! Most Americans I know are gun nuts. The 2nd amendment was not created to protect the ownership of weapons the likes of which were used in Las Vegas. It truly is a disgrace that this country hasn't the guts to pass gun legislation that would protect it's citizens and not the NRA!
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 4th, 2017, 06:56am »

Guns are not the problem. The problem is what's inside people's heads. Take away guns and a killer will find another way to kill.
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 4th, 2017, 07:41am »

on Oct 4th, 2017, 06:56am, onetwothree wrote:
Guns are not the problem. The problem is what's inside people's heads. Take away guns and a killer will find another way to kill.

He’ll still kill - but nothing like as many!

A couple of days before the Las Vegas shootings, a Jihadist in France - where guns aren’t so easily available - stabbed 2 people to death but was then shot by the police. How many more would he have killed if he’d had the Las Vegas man’s weapons?

2 dead is a lot better than 60 dead.
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 4th, 2017, 09:51am »

on Oct 4th, 2017, 07:41am, boredatwork wrote:
He’ll still kill - but nothing like as many!

A couple of days before the Las Vegas shootings, a Jihadist in France - where guns aren’t so easily available - stabbed 2 people to death but was then shot by the police. How many more would he have killed if he’d had the Las Vegas man’s weapons?

2 dead is a lot better than 60 dead.


The Vegas sicko was hell bent on a massacre and I agree with onetwothree. There's no doubt in my mind he would've found another way. I've read reports where they found bomb making supplies in his home/garage, and who knows how many he would've killed if he set one or more of those off? If he didn't have his guns this crazy would surely still have found a way to kill as many as he could.

We need mental health checks here in the country as part of a screening for purchasing guns, as well as eliminating ANY loophole that allows conversions of semi automatic weapons to full automatic. There's absolutely NO reason any person needs or should have an automatic rifle other than Police/SWAT or military personnel.

I'd have no problem submitting to a mental health exam, background check, field test showing ability to handle a gun etc. Whatever restrictions or testing they want to implement to help eliminate guys like this getting guns is fine by me. Just eliminating the purchase of guns....not so much.
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 4th, 2017, 10:35am »

I heard a good solution the other day. Guns? Fine, as many as you like. Bullets, $10000 a pop!
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 4th, 2017, 10:53am »

A couple other alternatives for those people who can't fit into a peaceful society

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on Oct 4th, 2017, 10:53am, CountingOutTime wrote:
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Problem is we don't live in a peaceful society, and is why I won't ever agree to repealing the 2nd amendment. I would never for a second use a gun for anything other than target shooting or in the protection of my loved ones.

There are many responsible gun owners like myself who feel the same way. Unfortunately all it takes is one sicko to cast us all in some sort of negative light.
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 4th, 2017, 3:36pm »

Unfortunately, this discussion always trips over extremes.
It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
The right to bear arms can be preserved without enabling people to build up an arsenal of repeat-firing automatic and semi-automatic weapons.

The NRA will argue there is no point in restricting certain weapons since criminals will obtain these weapons whether they're legal or not.
If that's the basis of a valid argument, then the US government may as well legalize cocaine.

Until US legislators are brave enough to draw a line and ban repeat firing-weapons and restrict the number of guns and amount of ammo one can own, the horrific events in Las Vegas will only repeat itself.

Eric, despite being a defender of the 2nd Amendment, I suspect you would agree with this, based on your comments above.
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