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 1   Paperlate- Genesis General Board / Re: Steve Hackett working on Genesis reunion?  on: Today at 7:14pm
Started by CyanideWand | Post by Fabrizio
on Today at 4:21pm, flunky wrote:
In practical terms, just how marketable is the classic Genesis lineup. They were a moderately successful act in the mid-70s, but superstar status for both Gabriel and the rest of them didn't arrive until the late 70s and early 80s. Basically, the portion of Genesis fans who see Genesis as "Gabriel-Banks-Rutherford-Collins-Hackett" is pretty small compared to the Genesis fans who see the band as "Phil Collins and those two other guys."

I can see maybe something like the Milton Keynes reunion, a sort of one-off event that could probably do reasonably well. But beyond that I doubt there would be that much demand. I'm not dissing Gabriel-era Genesis, it's just that it never was nearly as successful as the three man lineup, and I'd argue that the Collins-Banks-Rutherford lineup only got as big as it did was because Phil Collins was basically one of the biggest musical acts in the 1980s, and, quite unfairly of course, a lot of people simply saw Genesis during that period as an extension of Collins' solo work.

I have my doubts such a reunion would ever take place. Collins has already said that he can't play drums, so he'd have nothing to do if Gabriel and Hackett returned. Unless this electroshock therapy is some fantastical success, he's not not likely to be doing much more than the drum fill in ITAT on his own tour.

So I really cannot see the five-man lineup returning to the stage in any significant way. Maybe they'd do a Pink Floyd style mini-set, with Peter and Phil trading vocals, but I find even that improbable.

A three-man lineup seems much more likely to me, in no small part because:

1. Phil can basically get away without any drumming at all. Sure, they'll have to cull the more instrumental-oriented pieces, or at least trim them down. Phil probably spent no more than 15-20 minutes a night behind the kit from Duke onward, so they could easily replace something like Los Endos.
2. Like it or not, that lineup is a lot better known and a lot more commercially viable.

All that being said, I find the likelihood of any Genesis reunion very low indeed. I think a lot of it depends on how Phil handles the European tour, which I'm assuming, if he does well at, he'll probably bring across the Atlantic. If he is physically up to it and his voice can hold out, then maybe there will be some sort of a Genesis reunion, but maybe this "comeback" is just a better kind of farewell than the 2010 mini-tour. Or maybe he's just interested in relaunching his solo tour.

I also wonder these days if even Tony and Mike are all that into it. I don't get the sense that either of them are nearly as nostalgic for the five-man days, and Mike, at least, has publicly shown little interest in any kind of reunion.

Quite insightful and objective.

 
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 2   Play and Watch Lists / Re: Do the shuffle!  on: Today at 6:49pm
Started by Down And Out | Post by FeelItComing
Post Op Recovery Shuffle

I'll give in to the majority & list the artist first. This is from a playlist.

1. Mike + the Mechanics - Silent Running (On Dangerous Ground)
2. Gary Brooker - A Whiter Shade Of Pale (live)
3. Genesis - Can-Utility & the Coastliners
4. Richard Marx - Hazard
5. Status Quo - Down Down
6. Elvis Presley - That's All Right
7. Simon & Garfunkel - El Condor Pasa (If I Could)
8. Mark Knopfler - Marbletown
9. Bruce Springsteen - Brilliant Disguise
10. Elvis Presley - King Creole
11. Genesis - Fading Lights
12. Dire Straits - Private Investigations
13. Bee Gees - I.O.I.O.
14. Wings - Mull Of Kintyre
15. Glenn Frey - Soul Searchin'
16. Beatles - Getting Better
17. Sting - Practical Arrangement
18. Genesis - Jesus He Knows Me
19. Led Zeppelin - What Is & What Should Never Be
20. David Bowie - Sound & Vision
 
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 3   Supper's Ready- The Genesis Music Board / Re: Is "Turn It On Again" Really A Class  on: Today at 5:55pm
Started by rael1974 | Post by Dr. John
OK, I agree with you guys that the song is probably best thought of as a 6/4, 7/4 structure. As you noted, many of their odd time signatures are played in this kind of way. Apocalypse in 9/8 actually feels to me more like 5/4, 4/4 to me. However, the 7/8 in Cinema Show really feels like 7/8 to me.
 
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 4   Paperlate- Genesis General Board / Re: Steve Hackett working on Genesis reunion?  on: Today at 5:48pm
Started by CyanideWand | Post by Dr. John
I think the chances of the 5-man line-up getting together to create music together is slim to none. The chances of the 5-man line-up getting together for a one-off performance or short series of shows is a little more possible. I'd be happy with that if it was well-rehearsed. It will never sound like they did in 1974, but that's fine.

The chances of a 3-man reunion are more likely because they continued working together a lot longer than the 5-man version. While the chances of new music is still low, I like the chances a lot better than for the 5-man line-up writing new material. A 3-man show or series of shows also stands more chance, but I would be less excited about that because we already had a great reunion and I'm satisfied if we left it at that.
 
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 5   Play and Watch Lists / Re: Recent purchases  on: Today at 5:20pm
Started by Mal | Post by HENRY
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CD
 
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 6   Match of the Day- Sports and Recreation / Re: Football predictions league 2016-17 week 35  on: Today at 4:39pm
Started by genesis1964 | Post by FeelItComing
Liverpool 2 - 1 Everton
Leicester 1 - 0 Stoke
Southampton 1 0 Bournemouth
Arsenal 0 - 2 Man City
Barnsley 0 - 1 Sheff Wed
Brentford 1 - 0 Bristol City
Wolves 2 - 0 Cardiff
Reading 1 - 0 Leeds


 
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 7   Paperlate- Genesis General Board / Re: Steve Hackett working on Genesis reunion?  on: Today at 4:21pm
Started by CyanideWand | Post by flunky
In practical terms, just how marketable is the classic Genesis lineup. They were a moderately successful act in the mid-70s, but superstar status for both Gabriel and the rest of them didn't arrive until the late 70s and early 80s. Basically, the portion of Genesis fans who see Genesis as "Gabriel-Banks-Rutherford-Collins-Hackett" is pretty small compared to the Genesis fans who see the band as "Phil Collins and those two other guys."

I can see maybe something like the Milton Keynes reunion, a sort of one-off event that could probably do reasonably well. But beyond that I doubt there would be that much demand. I'm not dissing Gabriel-era Genesis, it's just that it never was nearly as successful as the three man lineup, and I'd argue that the Collins-Banks-Rutherford lineup only got as big as it did was because Phil Collins was basically one of the biggest musical acts in the 1980s, and, quite unfairly of course, a lot of people simply saw Genesis during that period as an extension of Collins' solo work.

I have my doubts such a reunion would ever take place. Collins has already said that he can't play drums, so he'd have nothing to do if Gabriel and Hackett returned. Unless this electroshock therapy is some fantastical success, he's not not likely to be doing much more than the drum fill in ITAT on his own tour.

So I really cannot see the five-man lineup returning to the stage in any significant way. Maybe they'd do a Pink Floyd style mini-set, with Peter and Phil trading vocals, but I find even that improbable.

A three-man lineup seems much more likely to me, in no small part because:

1. Phil can basically get away without any drumming at all. Sure, they'll have to cull the more instrumental-oriented pieces, or at least trim them down. Phil probably spent no more than 15-20 minutes a night behind the kit from Duke onward, so they could easily replace something like Los Endos.
2. Like it or not, that lineup is a lot better known and a lot more commercially viable.

All that being said, I find the likelihood of any Genesis reunion very low indeed. I think a lot of it depends on how Phil handles the European tour, which I'm assuming, if he does well at, he'll probably bring across the Atlantic. If he is physically up to it and his voice can hold out, then maybe there will be some sort of a Genesis reunion, but maybe this "comeback" is just a better kind of farewell than the 2010 mini-tour. Or maybe he's just interested in relaunching his solo tour.

I also wonder these days if even Tony and Mike are all that into it. I don't get the sense that either of them are nearly as nostalgic for the five-man days, and Mike, at least, has publicly shown little interest in any kind of reunion.
 
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 8   Play and Watch Lists / Re: What Are You Listening To Right Now? - Part 2  on: Today at 4:06pm
Started by HENRY | Post by Chessman
Still in Pendragon mood, currently playing another classic:

The Masquerade Overture

Great album! smiley
 
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 9   Jacuzzi- Steve Hackett Board / Re: New Album!  on: Today at 12:25pm
Started by peteofpompey | Post by onetwothree
Ordered my copy, but chose low price over quick delivery.

The Wikipedia article on the album gives information on the inevitable Japan-only bonus tracks; there are two, one of which is a new recording of "After the Ordeal." Oh, well. I've given up on keeping up with Steve's bonus tracks.
 
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 10   Play and Watch Lists / Re: Recent purchases  on: Today at 10:32am
Started by Mal | Post by HENRY
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LP
 
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