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xx Re: Should they have played something from Abacab?
« Reply #30 on: Jul 5th, 2015, 3:48pm »

on Jun 8th, 2015, 07:48am, NoSonOfVine wrote:
Completely disagreed. TCC is a better song than Abacab. Abacab doesn't even work as a closing track.

TCC is also on a far better album, too.

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Might not have worked as a closing track, but I definitely would've preferred it in the setlist. Maybe put it in, along with That's all, or In Too Deep, or something else short in place of Domino or Home By The Sea? I'm sure Abacab is much more well known to the masses than one of those two. I know they're good stage pieces-but 22 years after IT was released, and with them not being singles (read: known mostly only to fans) I felt Abacab would've been a better one-even with regards to giving more complete representation to all the albums (IT had several other songs on the setlist).

I remember the one thing I was disappointed about after coming out of the TIOA concert, and it was that they didn't play Abacab! It just seemed like something was missing. And the addition of Abacab would've made an incredible setlist just about perfect, IMO.
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xx Re: Should they have played something from Abacab?
« Reply #31 on: Jan 18th, 2017, 08:28am »

I hope I don't get ticked off for reviving old threads, it seems to annoy people on some boards. But anyway, this one's about the last time we ever had the chance to see Genesis live, so we can't stop discussing it!

At the time I did think that the Abacab album was a big omission, especially as they've said what a significant album it was for them. Given how they made fairly unsurprising song choices for their live sets it would only ever have been the title track they played and if as has been said PC couldn't get behind it any more, that will have sealed it. I love the album, it's right up there among my favourite Genesis albums, but apart from the title track I don't think any of the others they played live really ever worked properly. Keep It Dark on the Mama tour wasn't too bad though, Dodo/Lurker was okay.

Interesting diversion off into the subject of Carpet Crawlers closing the 07 shows. I thought it was perfect. Partly as it's a favourite song of mine, but it was introduced as something they felt kind of summed the band up, so it clearly meant a lot to them. Ultimately they are the ones playing this stuff so if that's what felt right for them, so be it but I also happened to find it a good closer. I don't think it was a "downer" at all, more of a subtle closer. I've been to lots of gigs where bands have made quite bold choices to end (or indeed start) the show on a not necessarily uptempo, upbeat note and it can work really well. For me, in this case it did but it obviously didn't for others.
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xx Re: Should they have played something from Abacab?
« Reply #32 on: Jan 18th, 2017, 3:19pm »

on Jan 18th, 2017, 08:28am, Backdrifter wrote:
I hope I don't get ticked off for reviving old threads, it seems to annoy people on some boards. But anyway, this one's about the last time we ever had the chance to see Genesis live, so we can't stop discussing it!

At the time I did think that the Abacab album was a big omission, especially as they've said what a significant album it was for them. Given how they made fairly unsurprising song choices for their live sets it would only ever have been the title track they played and if as has been said PC couldn't get behind it any more, that will have sealed it. I love the album, it's right up there among my favourite Genesis albums, but apart from the title track I don't think any of the others they played live really ever worked properly. Keep It Dark on the Mama tour wasn't too bad though, Dodo/Lurker was okay.

Interesting diversion off into the subject of Carpet Crawlers closing the 07 shows. I thought it was perfect. Partly as it's a favourite song of mine, but it was introduced as something they felt kind of summed the band up, so it clearly meant a lot to them. Ultimately they are the ones playing this stuff so if that's what felt right for them, so be it but I also happened to find it a good closer. I don't think it was a "downer" at all, more of a subtle closer. I've been to lots of gigs where bands have made quite bold choices to end (or indeed start) the show on a not necessarily uptempo, upbeat note and it can work really well. For me, in this case it did but it obviously didn't for others.


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xx Re: Should they have played something from Abacab?
« Reply #33 on: Jan 18th, 2017, 7:39pm »

on Jan 18th, 2017, 08:28am, Backdrifter wrote:
I hope I don't get ticked off for reviving old threads, it seems to annoy people on some boards.


I've done worse.
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« Reply #34 on: Jan 28th, 2017, 5:34pm »

The set list seemed adequate enough
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xx Re: Should they have played something from Abacab?
« Reply #35 on: Feb 1st, 2017, 12:51pm »

Abacab is certainly an important album historically but I always felt it was quite weak in terms of material. They dropped it entirely in time, evidently they felt they had songs which worked better live.
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« Reply #36 on: Feb 2nd, 2017, 11:40am »

I love Abacab live, particularly the extended instrumental at the end. However, I support the band not playing something they can no longer get behind. It would have shown in the performance if they had tried to do something half-hearted.
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« Reply #37 on: Mar 3rd, 2017, 10:11am »

Would have been nice to hear Dodo, Keep It Dark or Me And Sarah Jane in place of some of the 'Hits', but overall I'd say it was the best compromise setlist they could have chosen. I liked the low-key ending too, a nice surprise for me after the rather obvious I Can't Dance.
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« Reply #38 on: Mar 20th, 2017, 4:06pm »

phil sometimes get a bit tiresome about not being able to sing lyrics that he supposedly doesn't relate to anymore.

in 2007/8 police reunited for a tour -like genesis did-, and sting, at the age of 57, apparently had no problems singing songs such as de do do do, de da da da. rolleyes
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xx Re: Should they have played something from Abacab?
« Reply #39 on: Mar 20th, 2017, 6:12pm »

on Mar 20th, 2017, 4:06pm, Kerry95 wrote:
phil sometimes get a bit tiresome about not being able to sing lyrics that he supposedly doesn't relate to anymore.

in 2007/8 police reunited for a tour -like genesis did-, and sting, at the age of 57, apparently had no problems singing songs such as de do do do, de da da da. rolleyes


The difference there is that Sting wrote those lyrics, as far as I know, whereas Phil didn't write (e.g.) Domino's lyrics.
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xx Re: Should they have played something from Abacab?
« Reply #40 on: Apr 28th, 2017, 11:51am »

I too love the extended version of Abacab live when they just seem to be jamming and having fun. It would have been nice to hear it in 2007 and personally I would have dropped something like Land of Confusion but I realise lots of fans love that song too. Truth is it was very hard for a band with such an amazing back catologue to choose the setlist and I think they did a great job!
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