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xx Re: Genesis Revisited with Orchestra - UK Tour
« Reply #15 on: Jan 28th, 2018, 2:48pm »

I agree with a lot of what's been said on this thread. I'm not a big fan of Nad singing - I think he does an OK job but that's about it and Gary certainly goes way overboard with hitting just about every thing in reach during Shadow (which does ruin it).

I have long said that I'd like to see more SH solo material at these shows but it's the Genesis stuff that pulls in the punters and allows Steve to play the bigger venues (and make some money). Of the recent releases I'm afraid neither Wolflight or Night Siren have done anything for me which is hugely disappointing as I am a huge fan of Steve's work.

Despite all of this I have bought a ticket for the Festival Hall show and I am keen to see how the music will sound with an orchestra. I'm not the only one either as tickets have sold very well so far looking at the web site.
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 29th, 2018, 1:59pm »

I haven't been on any Steve Hackett concert ever and I would love to see a Genesis Revisited show. I've seen that DVD on youtube plus some more random videos of him revisiting Genesis songs and I am very impressed how close to the original sound he and his band is - a lot more than Genesis themselves were on their 2007 tour.

Regarding the never-ceasing discussion about a possible Genesis reunion in the classic lineup, it looks quite ironic how all of you state how fed up everybody is of Steve playing Genesis.
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 03:36am »

on Jan 29th, 2018, 1:59pm, Schrottrocker wrote:


Regarding the never-ceasing discussion about a possible Genesis reunion in the classic lineup, it looks quite ironic how all of you state how fed up everybody is of Steve playing Genesis.


I don't think there's any irony there. It's expected there'd be much discussion of a reunion - yet another thread on this has just started up due to the latest "I wouldn't rule it out" remark - although many of us here regard it as highly unlikely and find the fresh rounds of speculation following every polite "never say never" response quite tiresome.

Meanwhile, what solo members do is a separate thing from that. I think it's clear many of us feel SH has done the Genesis Revisited thing and would actually really like to see him focus back on his solo output and maybe even doing a decent album. (It seems a number of us also have some reservations about certain aspects of his band in relation to the Genesis material). It's great he's given a lot of pleasure to Genesis fans with these shows and he's obviously a hard worker. But I personally feel that, as with PG and his frustrating constant raking-over of old material in the last few years, it'd be great to hear a once great solo artist get back to all new stuff, both studio and on stage (and in SH's case, good new stuff).

By the way, I wonder what we'd think if PG suddenly announced he was doing a Genesis Revisited-type tour.

on Jan 28th, 2018, 2:48pm, peteofpompey wrote:
it's the Genesis stuff that pulls in the punters and allows Steve to play the bigger venues (and make some money). Of the recent releases I'm afraid neither Wolflight or Night Siren have done anything for me which is hugely disappointing as I am a huge fan of Steve's work.


Yes, I wanted to add I do see the appeal for him of doing the Genesis stuff - I'm sure it's artistically satisfying for him (and perhaps a reflection of diminishing artistic returns from his progressively lower-quality solo work?) but it does sell out shows too.
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 03:57am »

on Jan 30th, 2018, 03:36am, Backdrifter wrote:
By the way, I wonder what we'd think if PG suddenly announced he was doing a Genesis Revisited-type tour.


Cant speak for anyone else, but Id think it would probably consist of PG-era Genesis songs rendered unrecognisable by being performed by a whole bunch of other artists to bizarre musical settings - something along the lines of Hot Chip featuring Laurie Anderson performing The Musical Box backed by a saxophone quintet.... wink
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 07:02am »

Trouble is Steve has been very successful with GR tours- I'd be certain he expects to stop doing it soon himself - maybe after this one. So people should be grabbing maybe this last chance I'm sure.

His solo stuff has become better in many people's eyes - why - because the recent albums are more melodic and even in quality across all the tracks, thankfully avoiding the occasional dreadful cacophony of noise that he used to go in for sometimes. Some call it progress, some call it selling out!

All long standing artists seem to me to have this problem with their fans when they lose their youthful rebellious edge or simply avoid the shrieking cacophony in later years. Often their material is in fact technically and musically better. It's called maturity by some!

Personally I am a bigger fan than I used to be and it is the solo stuff that has done that, not the GR tours which have been great but often leave me wanting the true spirit of Genesis as shown by the likes of G2 at Milton Keynes.

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« Reply #20 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 09:27am »

on Jan 23rd, 2018, 2:17pm, NedFlanders wrote:
I simply do not like Nad as a vocalist. I found he struggled on a number of classic Genesis songs plus he simply has no vocal range imho. Not for me

I don't like his tone, I find it anonymous and that's subjective, I couldn't care less about his presence, he's covering known material after all, so showmanship is really not essential to me but he lacks the range and he really, really struggles with both high and low pitches and that's a fact.
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« Reply #21 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 10:20am »

on Jan 29th, 2018, 1:59pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
I haven't been on any Steve Hackett concert ever and I would love to see a Genesis Revisited show. I've seen that DVD on youtube plus some more random videos of him revisiting Genesis songs and I am very impressed how close to the original sound he and his band is - a lot more than Genesis themselves were on their 2007 tour.

Regarding the never-ceasing discussion about a possible Genesis reunion in the classic lineup, it looks quite ironic how all of you state how fed up everybody is of Steve playing Genesis.


Steve has a large back catalogue of solo material which has been ignored at the expense of rehashing the Genesis material. That is why a lot of fans want to hear his own stuff after 4-5 years if touring with Genesis material. There is difference between fans wanting to hear the original members playing as that is the source material than Steve continually churning out another Los Endos or Firth of Fifth with a marmite singer. Peter tours less but he never includes Genesis material as his own back catalogue is as significant as Steve's.

We welcomed the Genesis Revisited tours back then but some feel it's at a cost of some of Steve's most creative stuff. Money talks I guess and if it's filling concert halls then I guess he will continue to plough the Genesis back catalogue.
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« Reply #22 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 11:15am »

on Jan 30th, 2018, 10:20am, NedFlanders wrote:
Peter tours less but he never includes Genesis material as his own back catalogue is as significant as Steve's.


Just my opinion of course and the last thing I want is to start an argument but I truly beg to differ. Leaving personal taste aside, Peter is or was acknowledged as a very influential, innovative, relevant and at times even commercially successful artist, not that I care about the latter but he can write a pop song to say his life. I have several Steve's records and I would still maintain that, strictly in terms of songwriting, Steve's finest hour was with the band. His playing, is obviously magnificent and only got better and better. Peter doesn't play any Genesis because he doesn't need to, my guess is, neither would Steve, if he could avoid it but he has to, unless you think that he wouldn't prefer to play his own stuff. Steve's music is imo nice, no more than that, too many of his songs are imo quite forgettable and he, as an artist was and remained niche and that's not even an opinion I would say. He has his loyal fanbase which he has earned but it would be a stretch to say he and Peter are in the same league.
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« Reply #23 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 11:33am »

on Jan 30th, 2018, 11:15am, Fabrizio wrote:
Just my opinion of course and the last thing I want is to start an argument but I truly beg to differ. Leaving personal taste aside, Peter is or was acknowledged as a very influential, innovative, relevant and at times even commercially successful artist, not that I care about the latter but he can write a pop song to say his life. I have several Steve's records and I would still maintain that, strictly in terms of songwriting, Steve's finest hour was with the band. His playing, is obviously magnificent and only got better and better. Peter doesn't play any Genesis because he doesn't need to, my guess is, neither would Steve, if he could avoid it but he has to, unless you think that he wouldn't prefer to play his own stuff. Steve's music is imo nice, no more than that, too many of his songs are imo quite forgettable and he, as an artist was and remained niche and that's not even an opinion I would say. He has his loyal fanbase which he has earned but it would be a stretch to say he and Peter are in the same league.


I think you missed my point I was not comparing Peter and Steve in a popularity contents but that Peter and Steve both have significant volumes of work outwith Genesis. Not a problem to agree or disagree with anything I write.
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« Reply #24 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 11:59am »

on Jan 30th, 2018, 11:33am, NedFlanders wrote:
I think you missed my point I was not comparing Peter and Steve in a popularity contents but that Peter and Steve both have significant volumes of work outwith Genesis. Not a problem to agree or disagree with anything I write.

I obviously misunderstood. Sorry.
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« Reply #25 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 2:55pm »

on Jan 30th, 2018, 11:59am, Fabrizio wrote:
I obviously misunderstood. Sorry.


No need to apologise. I wish I could speak a second language as well as you can cheesy
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« Reply #26 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 3:29pm »

Have no probems with Steve playing a couple of Genesis tracks. Younger audience members will never see Genesis play live again, Unless these rumours of a so-called reunion is true. rolleyes

Saw Steve play live in 2009 and must admit, gooswbumps were felt hearing some of these tracks from Genesis.

Some folks go to concerts on a regular basis, maybe seeing Steve a few times, so hearing these tracks all the time, i can see annoying to some. But I love them!!... grin
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« Reply #27 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 5:39pm »

I've seen Steve in concert three times three very different shows.
The first time was on the Defector tour, the second time was during the acoustic trio tour.
While I enjoyed both of those earlier concerts, the most satisfying was the last time I saw him which was in 2013 during a Genesis Revisited tour. I absolutely loved it, the setlist was fantastic and I had no issues with the singers or any other musicians on stage.

Having said that, I had the opportunity to once again see him on a Genesis Revisited tour when he was touring North America last year and I gave it a pass.
The main reason was that I had such a great time at that 2013 show, I haven't been disappointed with any of the SH shows I've been to and I felt that is more likely to continue if I wait until he he's offering something completely different than what I've already experienced.
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« Reply #28 on: Jan 31st, 2018, 04:49am »

on Jan 30th, 2018, 07:02am, MikeAB wrote:
Trouble is Steve has been very successful with GR tours- I'd be certain he expects to stop doing it soon himself - maybe after this one. So people should be grabbing maybe this last chance I'm sure.

His solo stuff has become better in many people's eyes - why - because the recent albums are more melodic and even in quality across all the tracks, thankfully avoiding the occasional dreadful cacophony of noise that he used to go in for sometimes. Some call it progress, some call it selling out!

All long standing artists seem to me to have this problem with their fans when they lose their youthful rebellious edge or simply avoid the shrieking cacophony in later years. Often their material is in fact technically and musically better. It's called maturity by some!

Personally I am a bigger fan than I used to be and it is the solo stuff that has done that, not the GR tours which have been great but often leave me wanting the true spirit of Genesis as shown by the likes of G2 at Milton Keynes.



Very interesting take, I can absolutely see what you're getting at. Me, I like a bit of "shrieking cacophony"! You do get the occasional rare deviation from the picture you paint - Scott Walker being possibly the most obvious example.

I don't like harking back to artists' early work, I prefer when they keep bettering themselves and the early stuff fades in comparison. e.g. I was a fan of Rush in my teens and listened to the 70s stuff but I struggle with it now and can only listen to a small handful of them. I'm a huge Radiohead fan and marvelled at how (well, for me anyway) their albums got better with each release. I loved how they usually hardly ever play anything from their 90s albums and usually nothing at all from the first one- I always respect artists who have that confidence in their new material.

But with SH, I keep finding myself going back to the Charisma albums. Though to be fair, I didn't consistently keep up with him post-Faces but enjoyed some of the "mid-period" stuff at later gigs. I haven't listened to all of the last 2 albums because what I did hear was very uninteresting.
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« Reply #29 on: Jan 31st, 2018, 3:24pm »

on Jan 30th, 2018, 07:02am, MikeAB wrote:
Trouble is Steve has been very successful with GR tours- I'd be certain he expects to stop doing it soon himself - maybe after this one. So people should be grabbing maybe this last chance I'm sure.



There is obviously some truth to that but personally nothing turns me more off than a singer I dislike. There are several ways to go about it, some quite successful bands have found the way to replace their former singers with similar sounding vocalists for live gigs: case in point Journey.
I am sure there are thousands of kids out there who sound like Peter or Phil and would welcome a break.
It doesn't have to be though: you can also find a singer offering something new, a different kind of voice and a different take, no matter how attached we are to the original versions, I am sure you can find someone who can deliver those songs even better than Phil and Peter......As long as they are good and quite frankly I don't think Steve made some very good choices and that's me I guess but it pains to hear someone not even hitting the notes sometimes, that's clearly Nad's case to be clear.
His solo career is something else: I truly want to like him so bad, I kept on buying his records mainly because of his playing and on the strength of his loyal fans' reviews. I admire his approach to music and how he endeavored to remain fresh and honest but I have to say I keep finding his songwriting quite thin not to say weak. Again, I think getting a good singer might have helped him and also collaborating could have been a good idea: both things have worked for Mike very well but he decided to sing himself and personally I think that sank his songs even more.
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