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xx Genesis Revisited with Orchestra - UK Tour
« Thread started on: Jan 22nd, 2018, 06:44am »

Yes it's Genesis Revisited yet again, but this time with a 41-piece orchestra. That sounds pretty cool!

http://www.hackettsongs.com/news/newsTour2018-UK.html

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The show will feature some of Genesis' best-loved songs, including Supper's Ready, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, Firth of Fifth and more. Steve will not be neglecting his remarkable solo repertoire and there will tracks included such as Shadow of the Hierophant, El Niño and The Steppes.

Tour details are as follows: -

Monday, October 1st - Nottingham Royal Concert Hall
Wednesday, October 3rd - Manchester Bridgewater Hall
Thursday, October 4th - London Royal Festival Hall
Friday, October 5th - Birmingham Symphony Hall
Sunday, October 7th - Gateshead The Sage 1
Monday, October 8th - Glasgow Royal Concert Hall
TICKETS ON GENERAL SALE: Friday 26th January

Tickets available from http://myticket.co.uk/ and venue box offices.

Joining Steve on the tour are his regular musicians Roger King (keyboards), Gary O'Toole (drums/percussion), Rob Townsend (saxes/flutes) with Nad Sylvan on vocals. They will be joined on this tour by Jonas Reingold from The Flower Kings on bass.


The song that jumped out at me there was "The Steppes". I bet that sounds amazing with an orchestra. Too bad it's probably going to be really expensive undecided
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xx Re: Genesis Revisited with Orchestra - UK Tour
« Reply #1 on: Jan 23rd, 2018, 04:08am »

I'll be giving this a VERY wide berth. After the very disappointing W&W show last year, I decided not to bother with any more of his Genesis-themed tours. I'm hanging on for whenever he returns to substantially solo-based shows. That hopefully don't feature Nad Sylvan.

Fair play to SH though, he's a hard worker and keeping the Genesis fans happy.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 23rd, 2018, 1:25pm »

I know it will never happen, but it would be great if a few former Genesis members turned up unannounced at a couple of shows!
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 23rd, 2018, 2:17pm »

on Jan 23rd, 2018, 04:08am, Backdrifter wrote:
I'll be giving this a VERY wide berth. After the very disappointing W&W show last year, I decided not to bother with any more of his Genesis-themed tours. I'm hanging on for whenever he returns to substantially solo-based shows. That hopefully don't feature Nad Sylvan.

Fair play to SH though, he's a hard worker and keeping the Genesis fans happy.


Me too.i miss the Hackett solo tours plus I simply do not like Nad as a vocalist. I found he struggled on a number of classic Genesis songs plus he simply has no vocal range imho. Not for me
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 24th, 2018, 03:28am »

on Jan 23rd, 2018, 2:17pm, NedFlanders wrote:
Me too.i miss the Hackett solo tours plus I simply do not like Nad as a vocalist. I found he struggled on a number of classic Genesis songs plus he simply has no vocal range imho. Not for me


I find him just about okay as a singer of the Genesis stuff, no better than that. My main problem with him is his total lack of presence. He has - all puns intended - no charisma. So instead of the very characterful PG or PC with their distinctive vocals you get a very bland person with a just-about okay voice. Plus, I personally find him quite creepy and unpleasant to watch. The way he slowly glides on and off stage makes me shudder. Yes, I realise that's a very superficial assessment but it makes no difference as I already dislike him as a performer anyway even without that additional caveat.

The problem I have with the SH Genesis shows is that the material obviously is distinguished by TB's trademark chord sequences and changes, but there's something about the way TB plays them that makes all the difference; Roger King, who is a perfectly competent keyboardist, doesn't seem able to reproduce the same effect. And given that it's such an integral part of their sound, it makes the songs fall rather flat for me.

Even a solo show would pall for me a bit if it includes yet another interminable rendition of Shadow of the sodding Hierophant with Gary O'Toole's melodramatic overbaked never-ending drum break.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 24th, 2018, 8:27pm »

on Jan 24th, 2018, 03:28am, Backdrifter wrote:
I find him just about okay as a singer of the Genesis stuff, no better than that. My main problem with him is his total lack of presence. He has - all puns intended - no charisma. So instead of the very characterful PG or PC with their distinctive vocals you get a very bland person with a just-about okay voice. Plus, I personally find him quite creepy and unpleasant to watch. The way he slowly glides on and off stage makes me shudder. Yes, I realise that's a very superficial assessment but it makes no difference as I already dislike him as a performer anyway even without that additional caveat.

The problem I have with the SH Genesis shows is that the material obviously is distinguished by TB's trademark chord sequences and changes, but there's something about the way TB plays them that makes all the difference; Roger King, who is a perfectly competent keyboardist, doesn't seem able to reproduce the same effect. And given that it's such an integral part of their sound, it makes the songs fall rather flat for me.

Even a solo show would pall for me a bit if it includes yet another interminable rendition of Shadow of the sodding Hierophant with Gary O'Toole's melodramatic overbaked never-ending drum break.


I completely agree with you. I always found him to be a bit creepy as well. And frankly I think his voice can be very annoying.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 25th, 2018, 03:35am »

So given the reservations about Nad’s singing etc, is anyone going to any of these concerts?
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 25th, 2018, 03:39am »

This is ridiculous! Nad has helped to totally revitalise Steve's career - and therefore as a solo artist too. He gets nearer to the Genesis vocal sound than anyone else these days - and haven't his detractors seen the Live at Liverpool Phil DVD - he and the band are just fantastic.

(Bit of vocal echo on the Supper's Ready ending would be good though!)

Can't wait for this tour!
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 25th, 2018, 04:45am »

It's not ridiculous, it's just a few of us don't like him. I get the sense we're in a minority anyway. I daresay a fair number here will go to the shows and enjoy them, and good luck to them.

I'd say if SH's career has been 'revitalised' it's by the Genesis Revisited stuff generally, not specifically by NS.

EDIT - sorry, you did say 'helped'. Even then, you could sub lots of other singers in his place and it wouldn't make a huge difference in my view.

No DVD is going to reverse my negative opinion of him.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 25th, 2018, 07:01am »

on Jan 24th, 2018, 03:28am, Backdrifter wrote:
I find him just about okay as a singer of the Genesis stuff, no better than that. My main problem with him is his total lack of presence. He has - all puns intended - no charisma. So instead of the very characterful PG or PC with their distinctive vocals you get a very bland person with a just-about okay voice. Plus, I personally find him quite creepy and unpleasant to watch. The way he slowly glides on and off stage makes me shudder. Yes, I realise that's a very superficial assessment but it makes no difference as I already dislike him as a performer anyway even without that additional caveat.

The problem I have with the SH Genesis shows is that the material obviously is distinguished by TB's trademark chord sequences and changes, but there's something about the way TB plays them that makes all the difference; Roger King, who is a perfectly competent keyboardist, doesn't seem able to reproduce the same effect. And given that it's such an integral part of their sound, it makes the songs fall rather flat for me.

Even a solo show would pall for me a bit if it includes yet another interminable rendition of Shadow of the sodding Hierophant with Gary O'Toole's melodramatic overbaked never-ending drum break.


I know I am in the minority but for me Shadow should be 3-4 minutes shorter. I have always disliked the overlong ending to this track. Some rave about this but for me the build up and repetitive lines are far too long.

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« Reply #10 on: Jan 25th, 2018, 07:04am »

on Jan 25th, 2018, 03:39am, MikeAB wrote:
This is ridiculous! Nad has helped to totally revitalise Steve's career - and therefore as a solo artist too. He gets nearer to the Genesis vocal sound than anyone else these days - and haven't his detractors seen the Live at Liverpool Phil DVD - he and the band are just fantastic.

(Bit of vocal echo on the Supper's Ready ending would be good though!)

Can't wait for this tour!


Sorry Mike, Nad was virtually unknown before Steve revitalised HIS career. It is Steve's choice as to who sings the lead vocals but its is his voice that is making me stay away from this tour. Simply not a fan and think a few others like Tony Patterson and Simon from the Watch are far better vocalist when singing Genesis material. Horses for courses I know and opinions differ but no way has Nad revitalised Steve who was already a respected and successful artist imho. I do hope those who go enjoy the show. I want a gig with Hackett material and think Steve has milked this one to death.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 25th, 2018, 2:13pm »

I think Nad is OK, but I agree that Steve has totally milked this to death. It's a real shame because The Night Siren is a really good album and most of it didn't get played at the last tour.

When I saw the announcement, I just thought where does he go from here - how about the "Genesis Classics played on Harmonica and Washboard Tour" !!
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 25th, 2018, 4:22pm »

on Jan 25th, 2018, 2:13pm, ACatchAtTheTables wrote:
I think Nad is OK, but I agree that Steve has totally milked this to death. It's a real shame because The Night Siren is a really good album and most of it didn't get played at the last tour.

When I saw the announcement, I just thought where does he go from here - how about the "Genesis Classics played on Harmonica and Washboard Tour" !!


I enjoyed Nad but it was the first time I had seen Steve so I was very excited. I would have liked more of The Night Siren too but there you are. Down here we have to take what we can get.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 26th, 2018, 07:39am »

Personally, I have no issue with Nad, indeed his album "Courting the Widow" is very good, though I doubt the people who dislike him will risk a punt!

I also don't have a dislike of hearing SOME Genesis, but as has been said, perhaps now is the time to wind it back a bit, and the addition of an orchestra doesn't make it more appealing. I have never tried to get to a Moody Blues gig where the orchestra is included (although I WILL try to if they tour Days of Future Passed in the UK, as it had an orchestra on the original album, so it fits.)

Sadly, it seems that the success of Genesis Revisited II, (Which was sadly vastly inferior to the first, due to the "safe" nature of the approach, whereas the first had seen Steve reinterpret some tracks, and improving them, IMO. Firth and Watcher on that album are now my definitive versions!) had had a casualty in the form of Steve's solo albums. He hasn't made a good one since making GR2. Beyond the Shrouded Horizon is one of his best, Wolflight has 3 really good tracks, but falls someway short, (and Roger's production has become too heavy-handed, the album can't "breathe" acoustically, it's thick and overbearing) and Night Siren I just cannot get into, it seems formulaic and largely a re-hash of Wolflight stylistically, and frankly his Ivory-tower multiculturalism hasn't helped. It's tried to stray into world music, and fails unlike Till We Have Faces. So I'm afraid I'm out, for now!
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 28th, 2018, 02:30am »

Lost interest I'm afraid, W&W is my fave Genesis album but the clips from YouTube so far do not impress me. Hackett's last couple of solo albums bored me to death and the Genesis thing has now been done too many times as it is. Over and out.
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