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« Thread started on: Oct 30th, 2017, 10:01am »

What albums do you have where one half is something distinctly different from the other half?

Here's what I have:

Tony Banks - THE WICKED LADY: Side 1 is performed by Tony, side 2 by orchestra.

The Beatles - YELLOW SUBMARINE: Side 1 is by the Beatles, side 2 is by George Martin and his orchestra.

Traffic - LAST EXIT: Side 1 is studio, side 2 is live.

Dave Mason - HEADKEEPER: Side 1 is studio, side 2 is live.

Pink Floyd - UMMAGUMMA: Disc 1 has live tracks by the band, disc 2 has studio tracks by the individual members.
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 30th, 2017, 1:02pm »

Kate Bush - Hounds of Love - Side 1 is individual songs and Side 2 is an interconnected suite of songs.

The Beatles - Abbey Road - similar to above although Side 2 is not fully a suite.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 31st, 2017, 07:04am »

I could list any 70's album that has a sidelong epic on one side and individual songs on the other side, such as Pink Floyd's Atom Heart Mother and Meddle or Uriah Heep's Salisbury.
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 31st, 2017, 07:56am »

on Oct 31st, 2017, 07:04am, Schrottrocker wrote:
I could list any 70's album that has a sidelong epic on one side and individual songs on the other side

Right, but that's not really what I had in mind.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 31st, 2017, 08:21am »

Smallcreep's Day and Defector - Side one is a concept, side 2 isn't.
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 31st, 2017, 11:25am »

on Oct 31st, 2017, 08:21am, foxfeeder wrote:
Defector - Side one is a concept, side 2 isn't.

I always thought the whole thing was a concept album, if rather loosely (and not entirely consistently).
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 31st, 2017, 11:53am »

on Oct 31st, 2017, 11:25am, onetwothree wrote:
I always thought the whole thing was a concept album, if rather loosely (and not entirely consistently).


I didn't know there was a concept to Defector (my second-favourite SH album) half or full album.
Never heard or read that before.
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 31st, 2017, 1:24pm »

on Oct 31st, 2017, 11:53am, Witchwood wrote:
I didn't know there was a concept to Defector... Never heard or read that before.

I never heard or read it before either, but it can be gathered from the album's contents.

Basically, the album deals with a man defecting from Russia to the U.S. Side 1 describes his leaving his original country (with "Steppes" and "Slogans" instrumentally painting pictures of that place), while Side 2 seems to be about his assimilation into his new homeland.

I'm not sure whether "Sentimental Institution" is really meant to be part of the story, though. wink
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 1st, 2017, 05:12am »

David Bowie - Low (and to a lesser extent "Heroes"): side 1 pop/rock songs, side 2 instrumental ambient/experimental tracks

The Byrds - Untitled: disc 1 live, disc 2 studio

Man - Back Into the Future: disc 1 studio, disc 2 live

The Tarzan soundtrack has a similar thing to Yellow Submarine, with Phil Collins' songs presented first before Mark Mancina's score (with the exception of the Two Worlds finale at the end). It's not split between two sides of vinyl though, and the songs take up a bit more time on the CD than the score.
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 1st, 2017, 09:09am »

on Oct 31st, 2017, 1:24pm, onetwothree wrote:
I never heard or read it before either, but it can be gathered from the album's contents.

Basically, the album deals with a man defecting from Russia to the U.S. Side 1 describes his leaving his original country (with "Steppes" and "Slogans" instrumentally painting pictures of that place), while Side 2 seems to be about his assimilation into his new homeland.

I'm not sure whether "Sentimental Institution" is really meant to be part of the story, though. wink


Side 1 speaks for itself with the recurring musical motifs, in that way it is quite similar to Smallcreep's Day's side 1.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 1st, 2017, 09:44am »

on Oct 31st, 2017, 1:24pm, onetwothree wrote:
I never heard or read it before either, but it can be gathered from the album's contents.

Basically, the album deals with a man defecting from Russia to the U.S. Side 1 describes his leaving his original country (with "Steppes" and "Slogans" instrumentally painting pictures of that place), while Side 2 seems to be about his assimilation into his new homeland.

I'm not sure whether "Sentimental Institution" is really meant to be part of the story, though. wink


Well side one certainly covers mainly the Russian (Or Russian captor?) leaving, but it also references the spy being exchanged (a common practice back in cold war days) for him, as the opening line of "Time to get out" is "find me 90 miles from Cuba, in a land that has no borders" - USA. I did hear (might even have it on tape) Steve in a radio interview back then talking about the inspiration for the album, and he was in America (NY I think) watching TV coverage of such a spy exchange.

I won't say you're wrong about side 2, but I'd find it harder to see the connection of the concept to songs like Sentimental Institution, The Show (a simple song about rock gigs) and Hammer in the sand (which had lyrics, but were dropped after Nick Magnus made such a grand "classical" version of it in a rehearsal room.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 1st, 2017, 1:39pm »

on Nov 1st, 2017, 09:44am, foxfeeder wrote:
"find me 90 miles from Cuba, in a land that has no borders" - USA.

I always thought a "land that has no borders" would be an island nation -- i.e., one that doesn't border on any other. I always pictured the Russian stopping at such a place on his way to the USA; perhaps doing so facilitated his "defection" in some way.

on Nov 1st, 2017, 09:44am, foxfeeder wrote:
I won't say you're wrong about side 2, but I'd find it harder to see the connection of the concept to songs like Sentimental Institution, The Show (a simple song about rock gigs) and Hammer in the sand (which had lyrics, but were dropped after Nick Magnus made such a grand "classical" version of it in a rehearsal room.

Well, maybe I was just imagining things, having assumed that the "defector" concept covered roughly the entire album. But I always thought "Jacuzzi," "The Toast" and "The Show" were about various things the Russian encountered in his new, American life. The title of "Hammer" also seems to allude to the "hammer & sickle" of Soviet Russia.

As for "Sentimental Institution", well... if the concept still applies to most of the second side, this is where it breaks down! (Now, this would be a challenge for Steve fans: "Can you think of a way that SI could fit into the concept of DEFECTOR?")
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 2nd, 2017, 09:03am »

on Nov 1st, 2017, 1:39pm, onetwothree wrote:
I always thought a "land that has no borders" would be an island nation -- i.e., one that doesn't border on any other. I always pictured the Russian stopping at such a place on his way to the USA; perhaps doing so facilitated his "defection" in some way.


Well, maybe I was just imagining things, having assumed that the "defector" concept covered roughly the entire album. But I always thought "Jacuzzi," "The Toast" and "The Show" were about various things the Russian encountered in his new, American life. The title of "Hammer" also seems to allude to the "hammer & sickle" of Soviet Russia.

As for "Sentimental Institution", well... if the concept still applies to most of the second side, this is where it breaks down! (Now, this would be a challenge for Steve fans: "Can you think of a way that SI could fit into the concept of DEFECTOR?")


No, it's the USA (No internal borders). In the same interview, I think, but certainly in one I've heard, he said that the line was inspired by a sign in Florida saying "Cuba, 120 miles" pointing out to sea. Artistic licence allowed the distance to change so it would scan in the poetry of the song. wink
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 2nd, 2017, 6:16pm »

on Nov 1st, 2017, 1:39pm, onetwothree wrote:
As for "Sentimental Institution", well... if the concept still applies to most of the second side, this is where it breaks down! (Now, this would be a challenge for Steve fans: "Can you think of a way that SI could fit into the concept of DEFECTOR?")


I suppose you could say that it's a sort of epilogue that covers the main character growing old in the US. But considering all the references to jazz artists who were big in the 30s and 40s, the character of this song is dated as someone who was possibly moving to a retirement home in 1980, whereas the "defector" character is presumably a bit younger.
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 3rd, 2017, 07:06am »

on Nov 2nd, 2017, 6:16pm, Merryman72 wrote:
I suppose you could say that it's a sort of epilogue that covers the main character growing old in the US. But considering all the references to jazz artists who were big in the 30s and 40s, the character of this song is dated as someone who was possibly moving to a retirement home in 1980, whereas the "defector" character is presumably a bit younger.

That's basically what I always thought as well. If it wasn't for the contemporary references in "Time To Get Out" (the bomb, joints being smoked), I could imagine the defector as having defected earlier in the 20th century.

(Boy, did this thread change its topic...)
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