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« Thread started on: May 2nd, 2016, 08:59am »

How many of you music lovers are aware that many of the American hits you love from the 50s, 60s and 70s were not recorded by the original bands, but by a select group of studio musicians called The Wrecking Crew? A friend turned me on to a DVD about this group. These musicians were at the top of their game and could record songs in a single take. Studio time was very expensive. The original bands most of the time weren't experienced enough in the studio for it to be cost effective, so the Wrecking Crew were brought in to do the recording. It doesn't make the bands any less musically inclined, but it certainly does change how I look at the albums I love. We're talking The Beach Boys, Elvis Presley, The Carpenters, The Byrds, The Monkees, The Mamas and The Papas and many more. To know that on many great songs from these eras that the bands themselves sometimes weren't on the album at all is mind blowing.


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« Reply #1 on: May 2nd, 2016, 10:55am »

Interesting, I did not know this. But I do know, that certain more popular bands known to many sound very bad indeed live!....

Why is it, when I hear the national anthem played in America, specially at live events like the Super Bowl, it sounds awful. I believe Christina Aguilera did one ages ago and it was so out of key!...

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« Reply #2 on: May 2nd, 2016, 11:24am »

The Byrds performed all their stuff themselves in the studio, the sole exception is the song Mr. Tambourine, their first recording ever, which features Roger McGuinn, Leon Russell, Hal Blaine and Larry Knechthal. The reason was the one you mentioned above, COT. The rest of the band wasn`t considered to be experienced enough to get a proper recording done in due time.

Saying that, I didn`t know about the Wrecking Crew and I don`t know, if the musicians, I mentioned above belong to them.
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« Reply #3 on: May 2nd, 2016, 11:25am »

on May 2nd, 2016, 10:55am, Noni wrote:
Interesting, I did not know this. But I do know, that certain more popular bands known to many sound very bad indeed live!....

Why is it, when I hear the national anthem played in America, specially at live events like the Super Bowl, it sounds awful. I believe Christina Aguilera did one ages ago and it was so out of key!...



Yeah, it's about 1 in 10 live versions of the national anthem sound any good at all. I'll never forget the time Rosie O'Donnell sang it horribly (on purpose) at a baseball game and then grabbed her crotch and spit on the ground. The viewers were horrified. I think many poor performances can be chalked up to nerves and stage fright.

Regarding the Wrecking Crew, I highly recommend you check out the DVD. There are interviews and studio footage of these amazing musicians and the bands they replaced in the studio.
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« Reply #4 on: May 2nd, 2016, 12:33pm »

on May 2nd, 2016, 11:25am, CountingOutTime wrote:
I'll never forget the time Rosie O'Donnell sang it horribly (on purpose) at a baseball game and then grabbed her crotch and spit on the ground. The viewers were horrified.

I think that was Roseanne Barr. Not that I'm a big fan of either. wink
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« Reply #5 on: May 2nd, 2016, 12:42pm »

on May 2nd, 2016, 12:33pm, Dust wrote:
I think that was Roseanne Barr. Not that I'm a big fan of either. wink


Yep. You're right. Sorry about that lipsrsealed
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on May 2nd, 2016, 12:33pm, Dust wrote:
I think that was Roseanne Barr. Not that I'm a big fan of either. wink




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« Reply #7 on: May 2nd, 2016, 12:58pm »

I wasn't aware of them, but I was aware of the Monkees not being the musicians on their early hits.

Similar thing happened here, The Sweet did not play on their early hits, the first band to be "blown out of the water" so. Others followed. Then there was the Milli Vanilli scandal.................... rolleyes
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on May 2nd, 2016, 11:24am, slowdancer wrote:
The Byrds performed all their stuff themselves in the studio, the sole exception is the song Mr. Tambourine, their first recording ever, which features Roger McGuinn, Leon Russell, Hal Blaine and Larry Knechthal. The reason was the one you mentioned above, COT. The rest of the band wasn`t considered to be experienced enough to get a proper recording done in due time.

Saying that, I didn`t know about the Wrecking Crew and I don`t know, if the musicians, I mentioned above belong to them.


Yes, those are members of the Wrecking Crew. The recordings that were affected are L.A. related. It was only the bands who recorded in L.A. during the 50s, 60s and 70s who were subject to having the Wrecking Crew step in to record their songs in the studio.
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on May 2nd, 2016, 12:58pm, foxfeeder wrote:
Similar thing happened here, The Sweet did not play on their early hits, the first band to be "blown out of the water" so. )


Was not aware of the Sweet, they were well known to playing well in concerts!!!... I had a few of their DVD documentaries and seemed shocked to hear this!!!.. shocked
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« Reply #10 on: May 2nd, 2016, 1:14pm »

There's a difference though between pretending you can play when you can't and not getting to record in the studio because you're not as likely to get the song recorded in an effective amount of time. The Wrecking Crew stood in as backup band for vocalists who didn't have a band and also stood in for bands who were thought to be inexperienced in the studio. It wasn't that they weren't talented. It was done to save studio costs. Still must have been a shocking disappointment to the inexperienced musicians though.
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« Reply #11 on: May 2nd, 2016, 4:54pm »

Today I found out that the Four Tops were not the first band to record Walk Away, Renee. It was originally by a band called Left Banke. I've heard the original, and I actually prefer it to now to the Four Tops version. Perhaps The Wrecking Crew contributed to either or both of these versions?
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on May 2nd, 2016, 4:54pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
Today I found out that the Four Tops were not the first band to record Walk Away, Renee. It was originally by a band called Left Banke. I've heard the original, and I actually prefer it to now to the Four Tops version. Perhaps The Wrecking Crew contributed to either or both of these versions?


Apparently that song was recorded in NYC, so The Wrecking Crew wouldn't have been a part of this; only songs recorded in studios in L.A. This practice of standing in for the original musicians was a west coast phenomenon, apparently not done on the east coast.
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on May 2nd, 2016, 08:59am, CountingOutTime wrote:
How many of you music lovers are aware that many of the American hits you love from the 50s, 60s and 70s were not recorded by the original bands, but by a select group of studio musicians called The Wrecking Crew? A friend turned me on to a DVD about this group. These musicians were at the top of their game and could record songs in a single take. Studio time was very expensive. The original bands most of the time weren't experienced enough in the studio for it to be cost effective, so the Wrecking Crew were brought in to do the recording. It doesn't make the bands any less musically inclined, but it certainly does change how I look at the albums I love. We're talking The Beach Boys, Elvis Presley, The Carpenters, The Byrds, The Monkees, The Mamas and The Papas and many more. To know that on many great songs from these eras that the bands themselves sometimes weren't on the album at all is mind blowing.




The Carpenters?? Surely Karen sang and Richard played piano?
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on May 3rd, 2016, 05:01am, NedFlanders wrote:
The Carpenters?? Surely Karen sang and Richard played piano?


Yes, of course. The Wrecking Crew were there for anyone in L.A. who needed a backing band. Sometimes they only needed a drummer, in the case of The Carpenters. Here's a link with an interview by Hal Blaine (Wrecking Crew drummer). These guys were available 24-7 and sometimes worked up to 20 sessions a day for different bands, cutting entire albums in a day. Amazing stuff. As I said, I highly recommend the DVD. It'll knock your socks off.

http://www.jazzwax.com/2012/05/hal-blaine-on-karen-carpenter.html

http://www.wreckingcrewfilm.com/

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