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« Reply #30 on: Oct 28th, 2016, 4:40pm »

Would anyone consider the Eagles' Journey Of The Sorcerer or the title track of Long Road Out Of Eden to have prog elements? For the most part they were the opposite of anything prog related but those two songs sprang to mind.

Some Eagles fans don't like the song LROOE because it has elements of Middle Eastern music which reflect the song's lyrics about the war in Iraq. They think it makes the song 'drag'. I would hope I would get opposite opinions here, perhaps! (It was released in 2007 so it obviously isn't 70s).
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« Reply #31 on: Oct 28th, 2016, 4:47pm »

on Oct 28th, 2016, 4:40pm, FeelItComing wrote:
Would anyone consider the Eagles' Journey Of The Sorcerer or the title track of Long Road Out Of Eden to have prog elements? For the most part they were the opposite of anything prog related but those two songs sprang to mind.

Some Eagles fans don't like the song LROOE because it has elements of Middle Eastern music which reflect the song's lyrics about the war in Iraq. They think it makes the song 'drag'. I would hope I would get opposite opinions here, perhaps! (It was released in 2007 so it obviously isn't 70s).


IMO, The Eagles never did anything that would be considered prog, but they were certainly progressive in their genres of country rock and soft rock. I love The Long Road Out Of Eden album and just about every song on it, but I wouldn't call it prog.
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xx Re: Critics ignore prog (rant)
« Reply #32 on: Oct 29th, 2016, 1:44pm »

on Oct 28th, 2016, 4:40pm, FeelItComing wrote:
Would anyone consider the Eagles' Journey Of The Sorcerer or the title track of Long Road Out Of Eden to have prog elements? For the most part they were the opposite of anything prog related but those two songs sprang to mind.

Some Eagles fans don't like the song LROOE because it has elements of Middle Eastern music which reflect the song's lyrics about the war in Iraq. They think it makes the song 'drag'. I would hope I would get opposite opinions here, perhaps! (It was released in 2007 so it obviously isn't 70s).


For people in the UK at least, Sorcerer is forever associated with the radio series of Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy. I've never heard the full thing, (listening now on Youtube.) but I could see it being considered prog by some. This is the thing with prog: It's such a broad church, and one man's prog is another man's classic rock/psychedelia etc.
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« Reply #33 on: Feb 14th, 2017, 08:54am »

Some of the things touched on in a 'genres' thread on this forum are highlighted here, particularly the question of what prog "is". It surely can't be pinned down to multiple time signatures or multiple sections. By that measure, prog songs would include The Show by Girls Aloud, Silver Star by The Four Seasons, Hey Ya by Outkast, Everybody Wants To Rule The World by Tears For Fears, Say A Little Prayer by Aretha Franklin... etc etc.

As to critics ignoring prog, I don't generally read or watch critics, certainly not music ones anyway. There's certainly been a bit of sniffiness about prog rock, except where certain prog acts are regarded as being at the 'cooler', more acceptable end of the spectrum. Floyd seem to manage this, and Dark Side will often crop up in 'best album' lists; Crimson King seems to still be held up as some sort of key moment in rock music. For me, it's more that specifically Genesis hardly seem to trouble any of those lists unless it's specifically a 'prog albums' list.

People are of course wrong to parrot this thing about punk "killing off" prog rock. Punk/new wave gave people something else to listen to - it would often be referred to as 'alternative rock' - and some bands that kind of withered a bit in the late 70s were probably going to expire anyway. Whereas Yes, Genesis and ELP all had their first big chart hits and played huge sell-out shows during and after the punk explosion. I think some music press journos resented this, and made these bands into targets for not playing ball and dying, and I think that has kind of persisted to this day.
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« Reply #34 on: May 9th, 2017, 07:45am »

on Oct 25th, 2016, 09:44am, CountingOutTime wrote:
I am in the group of fans who feel Marillion haven't been prog since Fish's departure.


on Oct 25th, 2016, 10:25am, Noni wrote:
Marillion after Fish's departure has lost the tempo of traditional prog, but I do like Hogarth's voice and some of later Marillion's music.. I still prefer their earlier music and to say they are not progressive, I do not agree.


I don't care whether Marillion are regarded as prog or not now. I just think they became an overall better band with their own identity, whereas in the Fish days they were widely perceived as a poor man's Genesis.

Whether people like the Hogarth version or not, no one can seriously call them Genesis clones 1989 onwards. Unless they're deaf or a bit thick. Hogarth brought with him very different influences.
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