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« Reply #780 on: Jun 15th, 2007, 5:42pm »

Actually, I've been meaning to ask the knowledgeable fans on here - does anyone know how to pronounce Zoltan's surname? Is it something like 'sauce', or 'sorze' or what?
I'm not well up on Hungarian, so it's a bit frustrating. Can anyone help? undecided
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« Reply #781 on: Jun 15th, 2007, 5:46pm »

on Jun 15th, 2007, 5:28pm, Chessman wrote:
Can't say I really agree with your comments about Marcus there, COT. I think he did an admirable job. He seemed full of energy on 'Instant Delivery' and I thought he and Jonas worked well together. Hasse seemed to enjoy his presence too.
Is the only reason you don't watch the dvd because he is on it?


Jonas and Zoltan really are magic together, and I have to say that they're a big reason for my being attracted to the music of TFK. Without Zoltan on PH, and the resultant DVD, you can literally see and hear Jonas' lack of enthusiasm towards that album's music. I noticed it from my first viewing and repeated spins on the CD player.

I believe the band (mostly Roine, I presume) got lots of negative feedback regarding PH, and this is why Zoltan is back and why their new album is going to be retro. It's what the majority of fans listen to them for; at least that's what I listen to them for.

I agree with what Nov said at one point when none of us had yet purchased PH, and he'd listened to it a few times already. He said that maybe they should have just released it as one disc, because there's really only about 60 minutes of material on the two discs that are worth repeated spins, which is no small potatoes by any means, but two discs was pushing it. Since I don't download music or burn CDs, I'm stuck with the two discs, so I'd much rather throw in any of the other classic TFK CDs than listen to PH much.
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« Reply #782 on: Jun 15th, 2007, 6:00pm »

on Jun 13th, 2007, 6:16pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
Wouldn't these be cool on the wall?

http://tfk.progjam.com/fanstuff/PortRetropolis1024.jpg

http://tfk.progjam.com/fanstuff/garden1024.jpg

http://tfk.progjam.com/fanstuff/port-kings1024.jpg

http://tfk.progjam.com/fanstuff/morningmist800.jpg

http://tfk.progjam.com/fanstuff/insideout1024.jpg


Great pics COT!
I already use 'garden' and 'insideout' as desktops pics sometimes.
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« Reply #783 on: Jun 15th, 2007, 6:06pm »

on Jun 15th, 2007, 5:46pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
Jonas and Zoltan really are magic together, and I have to say that they're a big reason for my being attracted to the music of TFK. Without Zoltan on PH, and the resultant DVD, you can literally see and hear Jonas' lack of enthusiasm towards that album's music. I noticed it from my first viewing and repeated spins on the CD player.

I believe the band (mostly Roine, I presume) got lots of negative feedback regarding PH, and this is why Zoltan is back and why their new album is going to be retro. It's what the majority of fans listen to them for; at least that's what I listen to them for.

I agree with what Nov said at one point when none of us had yet purchased PH, and he'd listened to it a few times already. He said that maybe they should have just released it as one disc, because there's really only about 60 minutes of material on the two discs that are worth repeated spins, which is no small potatoes by any means, but two discs was pushing it. Since I don't download music or burn CDs, I'm stuck with the two discs, so I'd much rather throw in any of the other classic TFK CDs than listen to PH much.


Fair comments if that's how you feel.
For me, I can't say I've noticed any lack of enthusiasm on Jonas's part, and I also think he worked with Jaime Salazar very well too. And he still does, going by the last Tangent album.
As for PH, well, most of TFK's double albums come in for flack at times for being too long, but I enjoy all of it. And I think PH is as good as any really. Not a single track I don't enjoy on it, but that's just me.
I remember Adam & Eve getting lots of stick when it appeared, and that is a single disc!
Still, we all have different tastes, and that can only be a good thing, I believe. cheesy
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« Reply #784 on: Jun 15th, 2007, 6:14pm »

on Jun 15th, 2007, 6:06pm, Chessman wrote:
I also think he worked with Jaime Salazar very well too. And he still does, going by the last Tangent album.
I remember Adam & Eve getting lots of stick when it appeared, and that is a single disc!
Still, we all have different tastes, and that can only be a good thing, I believe. cheesy


Agree with you on all counts. Jaime Salazar is a wunderkind on the drums; a different style drummer than Zoltan, but definitely compatible with Jonas, and that's because Jonas has played a variety of types of music throughout his career, including Jazz Fusion, which really requires a great amount of improvisation, and this is where Zoltan fits in, because he's schooled in the art of fluid, independent Jazz drumming. Together they're a force to reckon with. Ingenious.

Regarding the "Adam And Eve" album, I've been hesitant to purchase it, and I've never heard it. I've read the negative reviews as well, but I know that I'll have to break down and get it just to complete the collection.
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« Reply #785 on: Jun 15th, 2007, 6:28pm »

on Jun 15th, 2007, 6:14pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
Agree with you on all counts. Jaime Salazar is a wunderkind on the drums; a different style drummer than Zoltan, but definitely compatible with Jonas, and that's because Jonas has played a variety of types of music throughout his career, including Jazz Fusion, which really requires a great amount of improvisation, and this is where Zoltan fits in, because he's schooled in the art of fluid, independent Jazz drumming. Together they're a force to reckon with. Ingenious.

Regarding the "Adam And Eve" album, I've been hesitant to purchase it, and I've never heard it. I've read the negative reviews as well, but I know that I'll have to break down and get it just to complete the collection.


Well, just for the record, I love Adam & Eve, in fact it's probably my favourite single disc album by the band, and that's saying something! Both epics, 'Love Supreme' and 'Driver's Seat' are superb, and there are other gems on there as well. I'm sure you've read about the much maligned 'Vampire's View'. Daniel Gildenlow takes centre stage for that one. It's like a mini musical, and you could imagine them acting it out on stage almost, but don't let that put you off! It's a very clever song, and full of melody, especially the chorus.
Then there are two lovely short - yes short! - songs; 'Cosmic Circus' and 'Starlight Man', the latter being particularly good. 'Timelines' is another cracking track, written by Roine and Jonas, and the closing instrumental, 'Blade Of Cain' is a great way of finishing off the album.
I doubt you will be disappointed in it, so don't hesistate any longer! wink
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« Reply #786 on: Jun 15th, 2007, 6:55pm »

Wow, there's some serious discussion going on here shocked

(Excellent!)

For the record, I absolutely adore Paradox Hotel. The only track I can't listen to is "Bavarian Skies" but the rest of it is wonderful (to me) so I find some of CoT's comments a bit baffling (but that's OK).

I listened to "Monsters and Men" on the way home from work today at full volume and literally had tears in my eyes with how overwhelmingly gorgeous the whole thing is.

I'm also surprised by the comments about negative reactions to PH or Jonas looking like he's not enjoying playing tracks from it on the DVD. I would hazard a guess and say that it's their biggest selling album so far and as far as I can see, Jonas is having a ball. I also really enjoy Markus's drumming.

Sorry, CoT, I have to disagree with you for once on all this wink

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« Reply #787 on: Jun 15th, 2007, 7:03pm »

on Jun 15th, 2007, 3:39pm, squonknikki wrote:
Does anyone think TFK will do more gigs over here this time? As far as i can make out the most they've done on one visit is 3!


I would expect that 3 is the most we could hope for Nikki. Unless this new album breaks through to a bigger audience for them.

When I saw Marillion on Wednesday, I kept thinking that I'd love TFK to be able to tour like them, play to a packed venues like that and play a proper tour of 20 dates or so. They had a great bus parked out the back and all the comforts and they can obviously do it full time. And TFK are so obviously (to me) a much better band than Marillion. I mean, I enjoyed their concert but TFK are basically better musicians to a man.


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Oh yeah!!! Newsflash! Have managed to get that better ticket for Old Trafford! Now got Block A3, Row 17!
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Got it off Lacasarosa on here!
If that other ticket does transpire Nov i will let you know of course for your mate.


Well done on the ticket Nikki. Please keep me informed if the other one turns up.


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Oh yeah going to see Muse at Wembley Stadium tomorrow! Well at least it'll be the first 'rock' ish gig there! George Michael got there first last week!
Should be fun! I'll no doubt have a few ciders on the way! Will need them after doing kids school summer fayre in the afternoon! rolleyes wink


I was bought a ticket for this Muse concert and would love to have gone but it's my cousins 40th Birthday Party which has been in the calendar for months and months.

Have a great time. It should be awesome.


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I played BITWOA today. Big Puzzle really gets me.
I have to stop what i'm doing everytime to listen to it!


I played this album to my Marillion-fan friend on the way back from the gig on Wednesday and he really liked it. Another convert hopefully wink

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« Reply #788 on: Jun 15th, 2007, 8:11pm »

I am really jealous , would love to see Muse live and if that OT ticket goes astray pleese let me know.
Anyone fancy Aussie Floyd in the sun at Rochester Castle in Kent, great hospitality can be provided myself, girlfriend and friends before and after ,can ake your own alcohol and food in and I know a great club after open 'till 4 player rock music ( well 80s and indie). grin
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« Reply #789 on: Jun 16th, 2007, 03:21am »

on Jun 15th, 2007, 8:11pm, gooner265 wrote:
Anyone fancy Aussie Floyd in the sun at Rochester Castle in Kent, great hospitality can be provided myself, girlfriend and friends before and after ,can take your own alcohol and food in and I know a great club after open 'till 4 player rock music ( well 80s and indie)


Wow - that's a kind offer gooner. If you weren't an Arsenal fan I'd............... grin wink

Seriously though, I've just checked the Aussie Floyd web-site and it's on July 14th. Unfortunately, we're down in Taunton that weekend.

I reckon that sounds right up Nikki's street though, eh Nikki?

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« Reply #790 on: Jun 16th, 2007, 6:20pm »

Well..it looks like everyone waited for me to go to bed before joining in last night! shocked
Be truthful - is it my after shave? It is, isn't it?
Or it could be my socks. I have changed them this year, though the date escapes me. grin

Have to agree with Nov again here regarding TFK/Marillion. At their best, I would put Marillion in my top ten, they have produced a handful of really great albums. But they've had their share of weaker ones, and I think their latest, Somewhere Else, falls into that category.
TFK, on the other hand, have yet to release an album, imo of course, that isn't of the highest quality, with something for all fans on it.
And yes, I too believe that TFK are better musicians, and a more consistent band. And I saw Marillion live, on the Holidays In Eden tour, and they were good.
But TFK are in a different league....for me anyway. smiley
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« Reply #791 on: Jun 17th, 2007, 10:55am »

Just had to tell everyone that I watched 'Meet The Flower Kings' again today. And it amazes me every time. I'm convinced there is a little man (or woman) hiding in the discs who tweaks the performances to a slightly higher degree each time I watch it!
In fact, I'll have to give it a rest and dust off my badly neglected....'Instant Delivery' dvd for a change!
It's only been played a million times, so it's got a lot of catching up to do.
The next dvd I am thinking of getting is Transatlantic - 'Live In Europe'. I've read it's very good indeed.
Any opinions from fans here? smiley
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« Reply #792 on: Jun 17th, 2007, 11:33am »

Far too much intelligent discussion and musical dedate going on here! grin wink
Just joking! I can do that stuff too honest!
But not just now cos had massive hangover this morning, but it's getting better and have managed to open eyes at least twice today! cool wink
Adam and Eve ..... well of course i cant comment seeing as i don't have the album yet! rolleyes
But from the tracks on Instant Delivery namely Love Supreme and Blade Of Cain, i would have thought that they made it worth getting regardless smiley

Muse were awesome last night! See thread elsewhere on here! They are a really powerful live experience.
To quote you Nov ....... i thought i was levitating by the end! Sorry to borrow your saying, but it describes that brilliant gig feeling perfectly! grin

The Rochester Castle thing sounds indeed right up my street Nov, and cheers Gooner, but have something else on that day too sad







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« Reply #793 on: Jun 17th, 2007, 5:34pm »

on Jun 17th, 2007, 11:33am, squonknikki wrote:
Far too much intelligent discussion and musical dedate going on here!


I agree. What the hell is going on?!! grin


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Adam and Eve ..... well of course i cant comment seeing as i don't have the album yet! rolleyes
But from the tracks on Instant Delivery namely Love Supreme and Blade Of Cain, i would have thought that they made it worth getting regardless smiley


A & E gets criticised a bit unfairly to be honest. It would be any other bands masterpiece but TFK aren't "any other band".

I've got a feeling you're gonna love this album Nikki wink


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Muse were awesome last night! See thread elsewhere on here! They are a really powerful live experience. To quote you Nov ....... i thought i was levitating by the end! Sorry to borrow your saying, but it describes that brilliant gig feeling perfectly!


I had to pass up a ticket to this as it was my cousins 40th Birthday Party. I had a fantastic time but would've loved to have seen Muse as well.

I've just checked out some clips on YouTube from last night. It's simply incredible how this band have reached this level of popularity without the hype and fan-fare that other bands get. They must be the biggest cult band in the country.

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« Reply #794 on: Jun 17th, 2007, 5:39pm »

on Jun 17th, 2007, 11:33am, squonknikki wrote:
Far too much intelligent discussion and musical dedate going on here! grin wink
Just joking! I can do that stuff too honest!
But not just now cos had massive hangover this morning, but it's getting better and have managed to open eyes at least twice today! cool wink
Adam and Eve ..... well of course i cant comment seeing as i don't have the album yet! rolleyes
But from the tracks on Instant Delivery namely Love Supreme and Blade Of Cain, i would have thought that they made it worth getting regardless smiley

Muse were awesome last night! See thread elsewhere on here! They are a really powerful live experience.
To quote you Nov ....... i thought i was levitating by the end! Sorry to borrow your saying, but it describes that brilliant gig feeling perfectly! grin

The Rochester Castle thing sounds indeed right up my street Nov, and cheers Gooner, but have something else on that day too sad









Indeed, Love Supreme and Blade Of Cain are two most excellent tracks. And you've only heard half of Love Supreme really, there is a second half that they didn't play live on Instant Delivery.
And Driver's Seat is, in some ways, the forgotten epic, imo. Usually, Love Supreme grabs you first. But, to be honest, Driver's Seat is at least as good. You'll love it!
And I guarantee you'll love Starlight Man. And Days Gone By, a lovely little piano piece by Tomas, oh, and Bablyon, another short Tomas piece that is damn catchy, in fact, damn beautiful.
And I haven't even mentioned the title track, Adam & Eve. It's a more powerful track, guitar led, and I love it!
I suggest you get The Flower King next, then Adam & Eve, and then, of course, Flower Power. You'll love them all. And then the live albums............ grin
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