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« Reply #4890 on: Dec 2nd, 2011, 1:54pm »

A question for Nov, Chessman, etc...

Will I enjoy the Flower Kings if I can't stand the bands Spock's Beard or Transatlantic? Hear this: I am making no assumptions. I purchased at least three albums from each band to try them out. I gave them a chance, and I don't like those bands. IMO, Spock's Beard is unoriginal and Transatlantic is too pretentious.

Are these bands at all similar to the Flower Kings (besides Roine Stolt being a member of Transatlantic)?
Because if the music sounds similar, I may want to change my mind about trying out the Flower Kings.
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« Reply #4891 on: Dec 2nd, 2011, 1:56pm »

on Dec 1st, 2011, 08:38am, Swede wrote:
1. Is it "down to earth" buying a castle?? laugh wink
2. DID he really?? shocked


Apparently so! He posted a pic of himself next to his castle. I think it needs some work doing on it though. Just think how many friends and family members he could invite for a banquet there!
(He was born the same year as me, so we've swapped the odd comment along the lines of what a very good year '59 was!) cheesy
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« Reply #4892 on: Dec 2nd, 2011, 1:59pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2011, 1:54pm, Clucker McBawk wrote:
A question for Nov, Chessman, etc...

Will I enjoy the Flower Kings if I can't stand the bands Spock's Beard or Transatlantic? Hear this: I am making no assumptions. I purchased at least three albums from each band to try them out. I gave them a chance, and I don't like those bands. IMO, Spock's Beard is unoriginal and Transatlantic is too pretentious.

Are these bands at all similar to the Flower Kings (besides Roine Stolt being a member of Transatlantic)?
Because if the music sounds similar, I may want to change my mind about trying out the Flower Kings.


Well, to my ears, there isn't much similarity between TFK and SB, but there is some when it comes to Transatlantic, though that band is probably, overall, closer to Spock's Beard. See if you can listen to one of TFK's albums before you buy. Maybe listen to some of their stuff on youtube, and watch a couple of videos. You'll get a good idea of what they're about from that. wink
Try and listen to songs such as The Truth Will Set You Free, End On A High Note and Church Of Your Heart, as these songs are closer to Yes in sound and style. smiley
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« Reply #4893 on: Dec 2nd, 2011, 2:08pm »

OK, here's my questions.

(Oh, wait, have they already been answered?)

1. What's it like to listen to them? Are they better than Genesis? (well they must be, because they're songs are longer - the longer, the proggier, right?).

2. Do you think it must be very hard work for them, or do you think that they must find songwriting a synch, especially with such complex albums? Because it seems to me that they must be prodigies with IQs well above 200 to be able to work so hard.

3. How are they able to distinguish one song from another when they've made so many very long songs? Are some more memorable than others? Are some throwaway or are they all prominent?

4. As I've said multiple times before, their albums are very long. How time-consuming is it to get through their albums? Will I be able to invest enough time for it? Especially since I'm going to have to hear them all at least ten times each once I get them (otherwise, it's not appreciating them properly, as it's been hinted at). How much time do you think I will need to dedicate to them? There are still other albums I've bought and not heard yet as well.

5. Last question - If I manage to become a big fan of them, will it mean that my old favourite bands will start to sound poor? I fear my old favourite bands like The Who and The Kinks are in danger of sounding untalented and unfulfilling in comparison.

I'm serious - I don't think I'll ever be able to appreciate classic rock bands ever again. Especially with the Beatles - I won't ever want to listen to Revolver for example if I've got the Flower Kings plus 75+ other albums by prog artists to listen to. I might have to retire those bands entirely, and never bother with them again, because, "Flower Power" due to its extreme complexity is going to make Revolver sound like Justin Bieber.
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« Reply #4894 on: Dec 2nd, 2011, 2:11pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2011, 1:54pm, Clucker McBawk wrote:
too pretentious.


I called the Flowers this word and later regretted it laugh
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« Reply #4895 on: Dec 2nd, 2011, 2:13pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2011, 1:54pm, Clucker McBawk wrote:
A question for Nov, Chessman, etc...

Will I enjoy the Flower Kings if I can't stand the bands Spock's Beard or Transatlantic? Hear this: I am making no assumptions. I purchased at least three albums from each band to try them out. I gave them a chance, and I don't like those bands. IMO, Spock's Beard is unoriginal and Transatlantic is too pretentious.

Are these bands at all similar to the Flower Kings (besides Roine Stolt being a member of Transatlantic)?
Because if the music sounds similar, I may want to change my mind about trying out the Flower Kings.


If you do not like Spocks Beard or Transatlantic then chances are the Flower Kings are not for you my friend.
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« Reply #4896 on: Dec 2nd, 2011, 2:16pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2011, 2:11pm, NoSonofVine wrote:
I called the Flowers this word and later regretted it laugh


You may also come to regret calling them "the Flowers". grin
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« Reply #4897 on: Dec 2nd, 2011, 2:29pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2011, 2:08pm, NoSonofVine wrote:
OK, here's my questions.

(Oh, wait, have they already been answered?)

1. What's it like to listen to them? Are they better than Genesis? (well they must be, because they're songs are longer - the longer, the proggier, right?).

2. Do you think it must be very hard work for them, or do you think that they must find songwriting a synch, especially with such complex albums? Because it seems to me that they must be prodigies with IQs well above 200 to be able to work so hard.

3. How are they able to distinguish one song from another when they've made so many very long songs? Are some more memorable than others? Are some throwaway or are they all prominent?

4. As I've said multiple times before, their albums are very long. How time-consuming is it to get through their albums? Will I be able to invest enough time for it? Especially since I'm going to have to hear them all at least ten times each once I get them (otherwise, it's not appreciating them properly, as it's been hinted at). How much time do you think I will need to dedicate to them? There are still other albums I've bought and not heard yet as well.

5. Last question - If I manage to become a big fan of them, will it mean that my old favourite bands will start to sound poor? I fear my old favourite bands like The Who and The Kinks are in danger of sounding untalented and unfulfilling in comparison.

I'm serious - I don't think I'll ever be able to appreciate classic rock bands ever again. Especially with the Beatles - I won't ever want to listen to Revolver for example if I've got the Flower Kings plus 75+ other albums by prog artists to listen to. I might have to retire those bands entirely, and never bother with them again, because, "Flower Power" due to its extreme complexity is going to make Revolver sound like Justin Bieber.


1. Length of track does not mean it is proggier and is only of worth if the track has the quality and structure to sustain the length of the song. I don't class any band against another and instead listen to what they have to say in the form of their music. Genesis have a sound unique to them whereas other bands such as FKs, Spocks Beard et al are influenced by the classic Genesis sound. Just because a band perform a very long prog track does not = being better than a band who produce shorter prog tracks.

2. Like all bands, the FKs have songs that range from superb to some that are forgettable. They have produced some amazing music but some of their double albums could and should have been single ones with a lot of padding. Filling 2 Cds does not always mean 2 CDs of quality music. There is always some similarity in structure and style with all bands - some call it recycling old ideas. Great music has nothing to do with IQ but more to do with the ability to compose good music and have a creative mind while being prepared to go out on a limb and do something different.

3. Lots of memorable FKs songs and some less so but the main things is that there are far more memorable songs than so so ones. Like all good musicians, they are very familiar with their songs having played them live and also the amount of rehearsal time before taking the songs on the road and also laying it down on record.

4. Like a good wine, the music of the FKs and a number of other bands needs to be digested piece by piece. No sense in trying to listen to as much as possible but rather take your time to experience the songs and get to know them at a pace that suits you. That will allow breathing space to come to appreciate the nuances of their music and the various styles adopted across their albums.

5. As I said earlier, just don't compare your other bands to the FKs. The Who and the Kinks both have their own sound and have been a key component of the rise in pop and rock from the mid 60s onwards. They have their own legacy and place within rock circles and a style that is completely different from the FKs and many other bands. Appreciate the wonderful music they have brought over the last 45 years and take the FKs and other bands on their own merit. It is good to experience a range of different sounds and styles within and outwith the prog rock genre. By taking into account the new sounds and experiences you get from the FKs and other bands of the genre you will expand your own knowledge of how diverse and wonderful the whole rock world is. You will learn that there are so many styles, shades and moods to appreciate. Just take it slow.

My own thoughts of course.

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« Reply #4898 on: Dec 2nd, 2011, 3:21pm »

In response to NSOV's queries and thoughts -

Regarding how TFK can remember how to play those epics live, I remember reading an interview with Roine Stolt wherein he was asked that very question. He stated that the band rehearse each song in 5-minutes chunks, and think of each segment as an individual song. This is much easier than having to remember what to play at the 33-minute mark.

Amazingly, Roine is a guitar virtuoso. He can play in any genre necessary; ie, jazz, fusion, rock, prog, etc, and can mimic the styles of Frank Zappa, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, and more, and still come off sounding completely original.

If you like the jazz/fusion sound of Return To Forever or Weather Report, you'll love the project Roine and Jonas started called 3rd World Electric. Their album "Kilimanjaro Secret Brew" is fantastic! The musicians they surround themselves with, on any of their projects, are the best in the biz.

The guitarists Roine has mentioned he dreams of playing with include Jeff Beck, Dweezil Zappa and Derek Trucks.

Surprisingly, he also states among his favorite albums Joni Mitchell’s "Travelogue”, U2’s “How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" and Vangelis’ "Mythodea."

Personally, my two favorite guitarists, and musicians in general, are Neal Morse and Roine Stolt. They are true to their craft and I have the highest respect for them both. They're songwriting speaks from the heart, and their music can send you soaring to heights that no others can.

NSOV - When you stated that you wonder whether you'd still like your classic rock bands after getting into TFK, well, I used to wonder the same thing. The Beatles have been, and always will be, my favorite all-time band ever. I've spent weeks on end listening to TFK and then will take a break and listen to Cream, The Beatles, Crowded House, Queen, etc. I love them just as much as before TFK.

As a matter of fact, if you were to ask any successful music artist about who influenced their playing, it's the classic rockers that always get mentioned. So dig in, my friend, and enjoy TFK for what they are - a wonderfully creative band that espouses only positive images in their lyrics, which is one of the reasons I love them.
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on Dec 2nd, 2011, 3:21pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
In response to NSOV's queries and thoughts -

Regarding how TFK can remember how to play those epics live, I remember reading an interview with Roine Stolt wherein he was asked that very question. He stated that the band rehearse each song in 5-minutes chunks, and think of each segment as an individual song. This is much easier than having to remember what to play at the 33-minute mark.

Amazingly, Roine is a guitar virtuoso. He can play in any genre necessary; ie, jazz, fusion, rock, prog, etc, and can mimic the styles of Frank Zappa, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, and more, and still come off sounding completely original.

If you like the jazz/fusion sound of Return To Forever or Weather Report, you'll love the project Roine and Jonas started called 3rd World Electric. Their album "Kilimanjaro Secret Brew" is fantastic! The musicians they surround themselves with, on any of their projects, are the best in the biz.

The guitarists Roine has mentioned he dreams of playing with include Jeff Beck, Dweezil Zappa and Derek Trucks.

Surprisingly, he also states among his favorite albums Joni Mitchell’s "Travelogue”, U2’s “How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" and Vangelis’ "Mythodea."

Personally, my two favorite guitarists, and musicians in general, are Neal Morse and Roine Stolt. They are true to their craft and I have the highest respect for them both. They're songwriting speaks from the heart, and their music can send you soaring to heights that no others can.

NSOV - When you stated that you wonder whether you'd still like your classic rock bands after getting into TFK, well, I used to wonder the same thing. The Beatles have been, and always will be, my favorite all-time band ever. I've spent weeks on end listening to TFK and then will take a break and listen to Cream, The Beatles, Crowded House, Queen, etc. I love them just as much as before TFK.

As a matter of fact, if you were to ask any successful music artist about who influenced their playing, it's the classic rockers that always get mentioned. So dig in, my friend, and enjoy TFK for what they are - a wonderfully creative band that espouses only positive images in their lyrics, which is one of the reasons I love them.


OK, thanks for the help. I feel like they're more approachable now smiley
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« Reply #4900 on: Dec 5th, 2011, 12:31pm »

Interesting post from Roine on the Flower King Yahoo group:

"Truth is TFK have been blessed with terrific drummers from day one. All great drummers in their own right.

Jaime is great on "TFK", "Stardust We Are" and "Retropolis", Zoltan put down a solid prog landmark on "Unfold The Future" and ain't bad on "Sum Of No Evil" either.

Marcus shines on "Instant Delivery" and "Carpe Diem". Pat is both rock solid and extremely entertaining on "Tour Kaputt" and is about the nicest musician in the business and hip to electronics.

IF or when TFK comes back from hibernation - and it is very likely - the drummer seat will be fireworx, no less.

It will not be Mike Portnoy, even if I personally would enjoy that too - but Mike is just too busy 2012.

In a couple of weeks you will all know more and you won't be complaining, trust me.

Roine."


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Much as I like MP with Transatlantic, I'm glad he won't be with TFK - do you know what I mean? wink
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« Reply #4901 on: Dec 5th, 2011, 1:34pm »

Zoltan's jazz background makes for a nice fit within TFK, and his inherent precision makes him my favorite TFK drummer. The others are great, but Zoltan tops them all.

Regarding the Tour Kaputt DVD, Pat Mastelotto is a very powerful drummer and fun to watch. You can tell he's a real nice guy too.

Jaime has done some stuff with The Tangent as well, but I wasn't too impressed with his drumming during that period. His work with TFK is phenomenal.

As for Marcus, well Paradox Hotel is near the bottom of my fave TFK albums, and maybe that plus the Instant Delivery DVD being inferior in my mind to Meet The Flower Kings, makes him my least favorite TFK drummer.

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on Dec 2nd, 2011, 1:56pm, Chessman wrote:
Apparently so! He posted a pic of himself next to his castle. I think it needs some work doing on it though. Just think how many friends and family members he could invite for a banquet there!
(He was born the same year as me, so we've swapped the odd comment along the lines of what a very good year '59 was!) cheesy

I see. smiley

But if you mean this, it's not a "castle", just an "ordinary" house:

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And it's really great to have a house of your own when you're playing music. (Think cottage! wink)
And it's nice to have a house in the countryside as well.

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« Reply #4903 on: Dec 10th, 2011, 09:38am »

on Dec 7th, 2011, 07:17am, Swede wrote:
I see. smiley

But if you mean this, it's not a "castle", just an "ordinary" house:

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And it's really great to have a house of your own when you're playing music. (Think cottage! wink)
And it's nice to have a house in the countryside as well.



Er..not quite! It's a rather large castle actually! (Unless he was just standing outside it posing, which didn't appear to be the case!) smiley
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« Reply #4904 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 05:33am »

I've got "Stardust We Are" and recently bought "Flower Power" and I'm asking all you "Flower King-heads" rolleyes if there's a definitve top 5 list of their albums. At the moment "Paradox Hotel" seems to be the next one on my list to buy or wsould the "Tour Kaput" dvd be a better acquisition?
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