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« Reply #4755 on: Sep 5th, 2011, 07:25am »

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It seems strange to me that having seen Transatlantic a few times, they have always left me completely cold. I would love to see TFK but only if they get their collective backsides out of the CRS/London gig rut that so many prog bands seem to find themselves in.

I do wonder if Stolt makes more money from Transatlantic, what on earth would I think if I ever did get to see TFK? Maybe I will never know because from the content of the feature in CRPP, he doesn't seem to keen on resurrecting the band.


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« Reply #4756 on: Sep 5th, 2011, 07:31am »

I am with Carpet Crawler when it comes to U2. They are certainly in my top 5 bands. They have reinvented their sound many times over the years. Rolling Stones on the other hand....

I guess the money Roine got from Transatlantic was pretty small beer compared to the mega bucks earned even by the overnight successes spawned by the likes of X factor (sorry to lower the tone), never mind the likes of U2.

However, that part of the article just underlined to me how people can be making great music and not get the rewards they deserve. It must be something other than money that drives these people.

I really enjoy the music of Panic Room, but it was brought home to me the "injustice" of much of this when I stood in a crowd of about 50 in a venue in Devon. It must be hard work for so many of these bands.

I guess some of these people have to get involved in other projects just so that they can make a living - there are of course others who take the alternative route of getting a job!

There are still people who assume if it's not famous then it can't be any good. In this day and age though I am quite happy to listen to music because I enjoy it, not because it is popular.

When a new CD arrives in the post my wife will frequently comment "Never heard of them". Doesn't lessen the enjoyment although I do feel a bit isolated at times and need to come to places like this to feel that I am not alone!

And when it comes to Genesis, how many years was it before they even broke even? 9 or 10 years?

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« Reply #4757 on: Sep 6th, 2011, 4:05pm »

Read some interesting comments from Hans Lundin on Facebook, saying they are currently recording the next Kaipa album, due for release in the first half of next year.
Excellent news indeed!
There's also a good photo of him from, I think, last year, with Hasse Froberg and Jonas Reingold. wink
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« Reply #4758 on: Sep 6th, 2011, 4:27pm »

on Sep 5th, 2011, 07:25am, alanh wrote:
having seen Transatlantic a few times

A few times? Lucky you!

They've only played about 3 or 4 gigs in the UK so you must have seen all of them smiley


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they have always left me completely cold

Oh cry

That's a shame. Something must have kept you going back for more though wink

I'm amazed that this leaves you completely cold because for me it has the same emotional impact as Genesis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYlXlZEqIVI


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« Reply #4759 on: Sep 7th, 2011, 07:38am »

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I don't consider myself "lucky" to have seen Transatlantic. Their performance at the High Voltage Festival last year wasn't a band show imo, merely musicians determined to out- play each other with little cohesion or band feel, and that was the opinion of several friends of mine who were looking forward to seeing the band and left equally disappointed. Everything that gives Prog a bad name in fact. I am not denying that the guys are excellent musicians because they patently are, but if that is the case why did they have to go overboard in such an embarrassing fashion?


I don't know if the same criteria would apply to a TFK performance if I ever got the chance to see one but from what (admittedly) little I have heard of their studio output, I would suspect that it would be the same which is sad really.


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on Sep 7th, 2011, 07:38am, alanh wrote:
I don't consider myself "lucky" to have seen Transatlantic. Their performance at the High Voltage Festival last year wasn't a band show imo, merely musicians determined to out- play each other with little cohesion or band feel, and that was the opinion of several friends of mine who were looking forward to seeing the band and left equally disappointed. Everything that gives Prog a bad name in fact.

Well I know that at High Voltage they played the whole of The Whirlwind for the last time which was truly sensational at Shepherd's Bush Empire.

I presume that you weren't familiar with this album before you saw it performed in it's entirety hence your mistaken impression that they were trying "to out-play each-other".

Did you think the same thing the other times you saw them?


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I am not denying that the guys are excellent musicians because they patently are, but if that is the case why did they have to go overboard in such an embarrassing fashion?

In what way were they going overboard? I wasn't at High Voltage but would be surprised to hear that they'd inserted extra sections or solos into The Whirlwind. I'll have to ask Nikki and Oz who were there and love the band.


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I don't know if the same criteria would apply to a TFK performance if I ever got the chance to see one but from what (admittedly) little I have heard of their studio output, I would suspect that it would be the same which is sad really.

I think you would satisfy your suspicions and pre-conceptions to be honest Alan. Now, that is sad wink






Considering we are both massive Genesis fans of a similar age, we are both obviously poles apart when it comes to modern symphonic prog Alan. I have to defend what I love though, just like I did with Genesis back in the late 70s/80s when the music press was constantly crticising them.
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« Reply #4761 on: Sep 7th, 2011, 09:22am »

Hi there


I think that after more years following and discovering and indeed, plugging new bands than I care to remember, I am to be allowed to be healthily sceptical of some of the so-called "new" music that is being purveyed as "progressive" these days.

As someone who enjoys symphonic music in its PROPER definitionand context, even using that word in conjunction with the band we are discussing here shows how derivative they are (imo). After all, symphonies are the domain of orchestras aren't they? Or rather they should be imo.

Maybe I have simply been around too long to find the majority of bands that fans rave about these days exciting. After all, it's a case of "been there, read the book, saw the film and bought the T -shirt". I can't fault younger fans for getting excited about the likes of TFK after all, the "originals" aren't going to be around for much longer and indeed, in some cases have already retired from the recording/performing scene. Some new bands DO elicit a modicum of excitement from me and I will continue to try and give coverage to them in the pages of TWR but you seem to be implying that I am narrow minded here Nov, simply because I don't subscribe to your rather slavish adulation for one band and its ridiculous number of off-shoots. Surely that is merely confirming the preconceptions of outsiders looking in at Prog fans as sad anoraks, isn't it? wink


Anyway, if TFK DO reconvene and DO manage to perform a UK show outside of the cloistered environs of the CRS or London, then rest assured I WILL do my utmost to be there and give them a chance to impress. I can't say fairer than that can I?


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« Reply #4762 on: Sep 9th, 2011, 11:02pm »

Wow ! After reading the last 4 pages of this thread...
A : I like U2
2 :I'm over 50
c:I traveled like 900 miles each way to see Transatlantic and would do it again . The Whirlwind show in Chicago was totally satisfying .
What were we talking about ? Oh yea . There are a bunch of Great new Prog bands out now . Prog for everyone's taste.
D : How is it possible to continue to listen to the prog you grew up with, without adding anything new ? I find I constantly need more prog. to keep me smiling . grin
E : I feel a little bit better knowing I am not the only TFK fan that has not been to a live show. [just a little] cool
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« Reply #4763 on: Sep 11th, 2011, 3:01pm »

In response to what has been said before, nearly all music is derivative to varying degrees. Roine Stolt was around during the same time as Steve Hackett and Steve Howe in the 70's, so he's from the same "school" of music, if you will. Whether the music he makes is literally "progressive" or not is beside the point. He's making the kind of music he was a part of during its emergence, and seeing as he's not some young upstart who's simply mimicking idols from the heyday of prog, I don't see where all the negativity comes from. You don't hear people saying the same things about Hackett or Howe -- not to my knowledge anyway.

Anyway... Different tastes are a fact of life, and life would be boring if there wasn't both chocolate and vanilla right? (Or strawberry, if you're into that sort of thing.) wink

Has anyone pre-ordered the new Agents of Mercy album "The Black Forest"? I'm really looking forward to this one.
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« Reply #4764 on: Sep 12th, 2011, 07:00am »

on Sep 11th, 2011, 3:01pm, Carpet Crawler wrote:
Has anyone pre-ordered the new Agents of Mercy album "The Black Forest"? I'm really looking forward to this one.


Yep. Got it on order as of Friday. This is Roine and Jonas' latest project, with the wonderful Lalle Larsson (Karmakanic) on keys and Nad Sylvan (Unifaun) on vocals and keys, plus Walle Wahlgren on drums.

I wish Nad would have released another Unifaun album. Their one and only release, the self-titled Unifaun, gives me goosebumps every time. There are hints of Genesis' Duke and Selling England throughout. Those of you who've not heard it, I highly recommend you do ASAP.
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on Sep 12th, 2011, 07:00am, CountingOutTime wrote:
Yep. Got in on order as of Friday. This is Roine and Jonas' latest project, with the wonderful Lalle Larsson (Karmakanic) on keys and Nad Sylvan (Unifaun) on vocals and keys, plus Walle Wahlgren on drums.


Sweet! Glad I'm not the only one who ordered it. wink


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I wish Nad would have released another Unifaun album. Their one and only release, the self-titled Unifaun, gives me goosebumps every time. There are hints of Genesis' Duke and Selling England throughout. Those of you who've not heard it, I highly recommend you do ASAP.


What he said! cheesy

Unifaun is one of the best, most heartfelt tributes to Genesis I have ever heard. The spirit of Wind & Wuthering, Duke, and SEbtP are all throughout this disc. One of the best CDs I have ever heard. I echo what CoT said: If you're a Genesis fan and you haven't heard it, get it ASAP.
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« Reply #4766 on: Sep 12th, 2011, 09:31am »

on Sep 12th, 2011, 07:00am, CountingOutTime wrote:
Yep. Got in on order as of Friday. This is Roine and Jonas' latest project, with the wonderful Lalle Larsson (Karmakanic) on keys and Nad Sylvan (Unifaun) on vocals and keys, plus Walle Wahlgren on drums.

I wish Nad would have released another Unifaun album. Their one and only release, the self-titled Unifaun, gives me goosebumps every time. There are hints of Genesis' Duke and Selling England throughout. Those of you who've not heard it, I highly recommend you do ASAP.


I too would like to hear another Unifaun album. The debut is probably the closest tribute to the Genesis sound that I've ever heard. I could certainly imagine Genesis playing some of those numbers. smiley
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« Reply #4767 on: Sep 12th, 2011, 3:20pm »

Listening to Garden of dreams again. This will hopefully be my third complete listen. Listening in comfort at home for a change. This has been the sound track to a lot of trips to and from work!

First impressions - a few weird/surprising bits. Some very very nice bits shocked
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« Reply #4768 on: Sep 12th, 2011, 10:38pm »

[quote author=Carpet Crawler link=board=obands&num=1172705095&start=4763#317 date=13157713)

Has anyone pre-ordered the new Agents of Mercy album "The Black Forest"? I'm really looking forward to this one. [/quote]

Im with ya ,cant wait to hear it cool
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« Reply #4769 on: Sep 13th, 2011, 07:50am »

on Sep 12th, 2011, 07:00am, CountingOutTime wrote:
Yep. Got in on order as of Friday. This is Roine and Jonas' latest project, with the wonderful Lalle Larsson (Karmakanic) on keys and Nad Sylvan (Unifaun) on vocals and keys, plus Walle Wahlgren on drums.

I wish Nad would have released another Unifaun album. Their one and only release, the self-titled Unifaun, gives me goosebumps every time. There are hints of Genesis' Duke and Selling England throughout. Those of you who've not heard it, I highly recommend you do ASAP.


I really like the Unifaun album yet it comes as one of those that either you love it or hate it. The band never professed to being anything other than Genesis die hard fans (that is how they met online) and their album was clearly an effort to put their heart on their sleeves. I think some did not give it enough listening time and easily dismissed it yet bands (wonderful as they are) such as The Watch are clearly 10% influenced by the classic era Genesis sound and yet, like Unifaun, produced their own material and not cover versions (albeit the last Watch album does have some early covers along with their own material).

I am with COT in wanting another Unifaun album but it appears unlikely now that Nad is working fully with Roine.
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