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« Reply #4680 on: Jul 21st, 2011, 07:49am »

Hi there



I still have the compilation that Nov sent me back in the early 2000's when he was trying to convert me to the band. It didn't have the desired effect though.



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« Reply #4681 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 03:41am »

on Jul 21st, 2011, 07:49am, alanh wrote:
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I still have the compilation that Nov sent me back in the early 2000's when he was trying to convert me to the band. It didn't have the desired effect though.



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... again and again. wink
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« Reply #4682 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:18am »

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The problem with evangelicals is they never take no for an answer!



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« Reply #4683 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:52am »


Well, all I can say is that I get the same qualities and feeling from The Flower Kings that I get from the likes of Genesis, Yes, Camel, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Steve Hackett, Spock's Beard, Transatlantic, etc, etc.

That being: wonderful song-writing, superb musicianship, instrumental brilliance, gorgeous melodies/harmonies, uplifting themes and spine-tingling musical climaxes.

Happily for me, dozens of people around the world that I've introduced The Flower Kings to over the past 12 years or so have recoginsed the same qualities in the band and this has opened up for them an amazing musical family tree centred around the incredible talents of Roine Stolt.

I guess that there are a few Genesis/Yes (etc) fans that don't look for the same qualities in the music that they listen to that I do. Hence, they are untouched by The Flower Kings.

That is fine of course - we can't all like the same thing (apart from Genesis)

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« Reply #4684 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:56am »

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I have never disputed the standard of musicianship that exists within TFK. However, I cannot get excited about a band when I am hearing not just echoes of their influences but almost note for note copies of them (Sun King Pt 2 is what killed any potential liking I had for TFK). Sadly, despite several attempts, I am still of the opinion that TFK are a talented but derivative band.



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« Reply #4685 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 05:18am »

I slightly resent the implication that because somebody doesn't love The Flower Kings but does love Genesis, they must see different things in Genesis. I can understand a comment like "If you like Genesis and/or Yes, what is there to dislike about The Flower Kings?" The point is that I don't dislike what I've heard by The Flower Kings. But I haven't fallen in love with it and don't wish to pursue them any further. That doesn't make me a bad person. Thank goodness musical taste isn't a scientific process. wink
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« Reply #4686 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 05:48am »

on Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:56am, alanh wrote:
I have never disputed the standard of musicianship that exists within TFK

That's a relief wink


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However, I cannot get excited about a band when I am hearing not just echoes of their influences but almost note for note copies of them (Sun King Pt 2 is what killed any potential liking I had for TFK). Sadly, despite several attempts, I am still of the opinion that TFK are a talented but derivative band.

Well, I don't want to get too bogged down in all this again Alan because we kind of exhausted it about 10 years ago wink

However, I would just say that to write a band off because one track sounds like something by another band (in this case you think "I Am The Sun - Part 1" sounds like "Tower Struck Down" wink) is like someone writing Genesis off because "Willow Farm" sounds like a rip-off of "Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite".

If you bare in mind that The Flower Kings have more recorded music than Genesis or Yes, with just as much variety (possibly even more), you can understand why it's a bit frustrating that supposed plagiarism is used as a stick to beat them with wink



Anyway, look, let's just shake hands on this and share a beer at a G2 gig sometime, but I'm bound to defend the band (and my love for them) if you and Down & Out come into this thread to have a bit of a friendly dig wink

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« Reply #4687 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 05:55am »

on Jul 22nd, 2011, 05:18am, Down And Out wrote:
I slightly resent the implication that because somebody doesn't love The Flower Kings but does love Genesis, they must see different things in Genesis. I can understand a comment like "If you like Genesis and/or Yes, what is there to dislike about The Flower Kings?" The point is that I don't dislike what I've heard by The Flower Kings. But I haven't fallen in love with it and don't wish to pursue them any further. That doesn't make me a bad person. Thank goodness musical taste isn't a scientific process. wink

You're a very nice person D&O wink

But, like I said to Alan, if you come in this thread to have a friendly dig at me (or TFK), I'll have a friendly dig back wink

I'm just stating my opinion, but it is a fact that I love about The Flower Kings, what I love about Genesis and Yes.

In my opinion, you are missing this and must try harder grin (joking!)

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« Reply #4688 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 06:03am »

on Jul 22nd, 2011, 05:55am, Nov wrote:
You're a very nice person D&O wink

But, like I said to Alan, if you come in this thread to have a friendly dig at me (or TFK), I'll have a friendly dig back wink

I'm just stating my opinion, but it is a fact that I love about The Flower Kings, what I love about Genesis and Yes.

In my opinion, you are missing this and must try harder grin (joking!)

Handshake?

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Definitely a handshake. smiley I totally admire your devotion to TFK and sending out CDs all over the world at your own expense is a fantastic gesture. Will definitely share a beer one day, at a G2 or Phantoms gig. wink

P.S. I'm going to start a "if you like Coldplay and Porcupine Tree but haven't heard Muse then you must listen to Muse as you will definitely love them and if you don't then you must be bonkers" thread. grin Only joking of course. wink
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« Reply #4689 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 07:09am »

on Jul 22nd, 2011, 06:03am, Down And Out wrote:
Definitely a handshake. smiley I totally admire your devotion to TFK and sending out CDs all over the world at your own expense is a fantastic gesture.

If TFK ever do start to make big money then I'm demanding 10% grin

Alan had the right word - "evangelical".

I wouldn't be doing any of this though if I thought they got anywhere near the success they deserved. To me, and many others on this (and other) forums, they are criminally under-rated in relation to their talent. Thankfully, Roine Stolt has had a certain level of success (and hopefully remuneration) through his involvement with Transatlantic.


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Will definitely share a beer one day, at a G2 or Phantoms gig. wink

Definitely! At The Stables next year, if not before wink


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P.S. I'm going to start a "if you like Coldplay and Porcupine Tree but haven't heard Muse then you must listen to Muse as you will definitely love them and if you don't then you must be bonkers" thread. grin Only joking of course. wink

Well, the thing is that none of the bands you mention there, especially Muse, need the sort of pushing that I do for TFK because they are absolutely massive.

As I've said before, I'd be happy if TFK sold 10% of the CDs and concert tickets that the likes of Coldplay and Muse sell because they so deserve it. It is endlessley frustrating to me that the vast percentage of fans of 70s prog (and I don't mean you or Alan) won't give any prog at all post-77 a chance, let alone TFK. They'll be playing CttE and Foxtrot until they peg out because they simply won't accept that anything newer can match that stuff and yet there are brilliant bands such as Spock's Beard, TFK and Porcupine Tree out there doing it right now!

It's great to see that Porcupine Tree have become much more popular over the past 5 years or so but what is it that prevents them from being able to take the next step up from theatres to arenas whereas dozens of far less talented bands are able to do this. It's a mystery to me.
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« Reply #4690 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 07:55am »

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I have heard several TFK albums since you kindly sent me that compilation and as I stated many moons ago even had one sent to me by person(s) unknown for review. The album in question was Retropolis which I reviewed favourably I may add in The Pavilion. However, since then nothing I have heard of theirs has made me think of making a serious investment in their music. That might change if they ever got off their backsides and did a PROPER UK tour instead of the usual trip to the CRS and/or London.

I grew up with the genuine Prog bands, then had a second bite of the cherry with bands like Marillion, Pallas and Twelfth Night all of whom I adored (still do in the case of Pallas and Twelfth Night), but the current New Prog doesn't excite me as much. Especially when band members insist on leap frogging from one band to another in such an incestuous fashion. I really don't see the point to it myself but maybe I'm too long in the tooth.

Hey, just an opinion folks or is freedom of expression not allowed on a thread to do with The Flower Kings?



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« Reply #4691 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 08:19am »

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Not giving post '77 bands a chance eh? Hmm I suggest that you check out some of the Listener's Corner features in TWR Nov. You might have to review that last comment methinks!


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« Reply #4692 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 08:57am »

on Jul 22nd, 2011, 08:19am, alanh wrote:
Not giving post '77 bands a chance eh? Hmm I suggest that you check out some of the Listener's Corner features in TWR Nov. You might have to review that last comment methinks!

Well, that's why I made a point of saying "and I don't mean you (i.e Down & Out) or Alan" (when referring to the prog luddites) because I know that you do listen to a lot of post-77 prog wink



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« Reply #4693 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 09:07am »

on Jul 22nd, 2011, 07:55am, alanh wrote:
I have heard several TFK albums since you kindly sent me that compilation and as I stated many moons ago even had one sent to me by person(s) unknown for review. The album in question was Retropolis which I reviewed favourably I may add in The Pavilion.

That's good to hear Alan smiley


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However, since then nothing I have heard of theirs has made me think of making a serious investment in their music. That might change if they ever got off their backsides and did a PROPER UK tour instead of the usual trip to the CRS and/or London.

I'd love it if they were able to do this but I think it would cripple them financially.


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I grew up with the genuine Prog bands, then had a second bite of the cherry with bands like Marillion, Pallas and Twelfth Night all of whom I adored (still do in the case of Pallas and Twelfth Night), but the current New Prog doesn't excite me as much.

The only difference between us is that I quickly grew disenchanted with 80s prog (all the bands you mentioned plus IQ, Solstice, Pendragon, etc) but was blown away by the 90s bands (Anglagard, Spock's Beard, TFK, Porcupine Tree, etc, etc) because in my opinion they actually do rate with the 70s bands and sound so much more like the real deal with better musicianship, composition and production.


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Especially when band members insist on leap frogging from one band to another in such an incestuous fashion. I really don't see the point to it myself but maybe I'm too long in the tooth.

Well, Roine Stolt certainly does have many projects on the go (especially whilst TFK are dormant) but then he has got bills to pay and an apparent endless stream of fantastic music to bestow wink


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Hey, just an opinion folks or is freedom of expression not allowed on a thread to do with The Flower Kings?

Of course, but I'm always rather senstive to criticism of TFK because of how much they mean to me so tend to get a tad defensive and prickly wink

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« Reply #4694 on: Jul 22nd, 2011, 11:48am »

on Jul 22nd, 2011, 09:07am, Nov wrote:
That's good to hear Alan smiley



I'd love it if they were able to do this but I think it would cripple them financially.







Yes, it's a shame that money is at the root of the touring problem. Which makes one wonder about these bands' promoters. Aren't there any talent scouts out there looking for bands like TFK or The Tangent or Kaipa, etc?

This week, I contacted Sally Collyer, who is promoting The Tangent currently. I had ordered their new DVD which hadn't arrived in a timely manner, so I e-mailed her requesting the status of my order. She was very kind and told me that my order was lost in the shuffle somehow, but would have it out to me the following day. I took this opportunity to ask if The Tangent had thought of coming to the U.S. for a tour. I also mentioned the CalProg event that happens here in SoCal each October, plus the promoter's name, Jim Harrel. She responded that she was familiar with both Jim and CalProg, but that it always boils down to losing money to come here. Maybe once the economy rebounds, these great bands can get the exposure they so deserve.
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