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« Reply #4470 on: Nov 1st, 2010, 12:23pm »

on Oct 30th, 2010, 08:36am, martintea wrote:
I haven`t read all 298 pages....does anyone like The Flower Kings then?

Errr......YEAH!!

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« Reply #4471 on: Nov 1st, 2010, 12:26pm »

on Oct 30th, 2010, 12:57pm, Lucius wrote:
pretty much yes i'm afraid . i felt that tsone wasn't flower kings music. it was more like a weak imitation of 7 0s prog...so i lost respect for the group.

So, did you lose repect for Genesis in the 80s? wink

I do know what you mean about TSoNE Steve and I too was disappointed with it. I've tried to listen to it since but there really is something fundamental missing on that album. It all kind of sounds right but.....I dunno undecided

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« Reply #4472 on: Nov 2nd, 2010, 12:03am »

on Nov 1st, 2010, 12:26pm, Nov wrote:
I do know what you mean about TSoNE Steve and I too was disappointed with it. I've tried to listen to it since but there really is something fundamental missing on that album. It all kind of sounds right but.....I dunno undecided



This makes me sad. sad

TSONE is quite possibly my favorite TFK CD. I hate to hear that it was disappointing to other fans, especially ones as devoted as you, Nov. I'm sorry to hear it. sad

I hope that with their next album (and I believe there will be more TFK), it makes a better impression and connects with more people.
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« Reply #4473 on: Nov 2nd, 2010, 07:00am »

on Nov 2nd, 2010, 12:03am, Carpet Crawler wrote:
This makes me sad. sad

TSONE is quite possibly my favorite TFK CD. I hate to hear that it was disappointing to other fans, especially ones as devoted as you, Nov. I'm sorry to hear it. sad

I hope that with their next album (and I believe there will be more TFK), it makes a better impression and connects with more people.


I think by the time TSONE came out TFK had lost their mojo. Roine has found it again with Transatlantic and Agents Of Mercy. Hopefully he can reunite with the TFK gang and pump out an amazing new batch of progressive rock.
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« Reply #4474 on: Nov 2nd, 2010, 07:30am »

on Nov 2nd, 2010, 07:00am, CountingOutTime wrote:
I think by the time TSONE came out TFK had lost their mojo. Roine has found it again with Transatlantic and Agents Of Mercy. Hopefully he can reunite with the TFK gang and pump out an amazing new batch of progressive rock.


Hmm... I can't say that I agree about TFK losing their mojo for TSONE, but I do think that the break Roine and the others have taken from TFK has been good for them collectively. And of course, we got some excellent music out of it as well with all of their side-projects. cheesy

I don't think TSONE is their best, but I think it's their most cohesive and consistent record, and maybe their most accessible.

If someone were to ask me what was TFK's best album, I would probably have to answer with Unfold The Future. It's not as consistent all the way through (IMO), but taken as a single piece of work, it is quite staggering I think. And doesn't really sound like anything else in their catalog. Plus, The Truth Will Set You Free and Devil's Playground are amazing epics. smiley

What do you folks think of UTF? I'd like to hear your opinions on it.
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« Reply #4475 on: Nov 2nd, 2010, 08:17am »

on Nov 2nd, 2010, 07:30am, Carpet Crawler wrote:
Hmm... I can't say that I agree about TFK losing their mojo for TSONE, but I do think that the break Roine and the others have taken from TFK has been good for them collectively. And of course, we got some excellent music out of it as well with all of their side-projects. cheesy

I don't think TSONE is their best, but I think it's their most cohesive and consistent record, and maybe their most accessible.

If someone were to ask me what was TFK's best album, I would probably have to answer with Unfold The Future. It's not as consistent all the way through (IMO), but taken as a single piece of work, it is quite staggering I think. And doesn't really sound like anything else in their catalog. Plus, The Truth Will Set You Free and Devil's Playground are amazing epics. smiley

What do you folks think of UTF? I'd like to hear your opinions on it.


I love UTF and play it more than the rest of their back catalogue. I think the Truth...... is the best thing they have written. I guess next to that album would be Stardust We Are as that was the first album I bought of theirs. The others albums all have some superb songs so it is all about how I feel as to what album I put on.
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« Reply #4476 on: Nov 2nd, 2010, 4:28pm »

on Nov 2nd, 2010, 12:03am, Carpet Crawler wrote:
This makes me sad. sad

TSONE is quite possibly my favorite TFK CD. I hate to hear that it was disappointing to other fans, especially ones as devoted as you, Nov. I'm sorry to hear it. sad

I hope that with their next album (and I believe there will be more TFK), it makes a better impression and connects with more people.


This is what I like about TFK; for some, TSONE is disappointing, for others, it's their favourite album. Like all top bands, it just goes to show that there isn't really one album that stands out from the others - fans are pretty evenly spread in naming their favourite.
It all boils down to consistency, and there are too many bands that lack that quality, unfortunately.
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« Reply #4477 on: Nov 3rd, 2010, 04:11am »

on Nov 2nd, 2010, 12:03am, Carpet Crawler wrote:
This makes me sad. sad

Sorry CC.

Please cheer up though wink


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TSONE is quite possibly my favorite TFK CD. I hate to hear that it was disappointing to other fans, especially ones as devoted as you, Nov. I'm sorry to hear it. sad

This just goes to show how strong the TFK catalogue is.

If TSONE was a debut album by a new prog band it would probably be amazing. I can still listen to it and enjoy it but it just doesn't move me like the other albums. As Steve alluded to, it's all a bit calculated - kind of prog by numbers. The only track that does move me is the last one which has more emotion in it.

I think that Roine was trying too hard to please other people rather than himself with this album. He then over-hyped it before it came out.

I also think that the subsequent tour lost money, especially with having Pat Mastelotto drumming. I don't think he suited the band at all and probably cost Roine a lot of money to hire.

I suspect that Roine was hoping that this album and tour (especially with PM on board) was going to elevate TFK to a different level but it just didn't happen and I think Roine just needed a break from TFK after that.


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I hope that with their next album (and I believe there will be more TFK), it makes a better impression and connects with more people.

I believe there will be another album as well and all the guys will come back together with renewed energy after all of their excellent side-projects.

LONG LIVE TFK!!
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« Reply #4478 on: Nov 3rd, 2010, 08:45am »

on Nov 3rd, 2010, 04:11am, Nov wrote:
Sorry CC.

Please cheer up though wink

Sorry... I was feeling a bit down when I wrote all that. I'm better now. wink

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This just goes to show how strong the TFK catalogue is.

If TSONE was a debut album by a new prog band it would probably be amazing. I can still listen to it and enjoy it but it just doesn't move me like the other albums. As Steve alluded to, it's all a bit calculated - kind of prog by numbers. The only track that does move me is the last one which has more emotion in it.

You make a good point. If it was something that a band released right out of the gate, it would probably be a different story. I can understand how it might not feel right, compared to the albums that came before it.

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I think that Roine was trying too hard to please other people rather than himself with this album. He then over-hyped it before it came out.

I also think that the subsequent tour lost money, especially with having Pat Mastelotto drumming. I don't think he suited the band at all and probably cost Roine a lot of money to hire.

I suspect that Roine was hoping that this album and tour (especially with PM on board) was going to elevate TFK to a different level but it just didn't happen and I think Roine just needed a break from TFK after that.

Interesting points made here as well. I remember reading Roine's blog posts about TSONE before it came out, when he said things about making it 100% pure symphonic prog, taking out all the jazz excursions and stuff like that (there were still some jazzy sections though -- they just can't seem to help themselves smiley ). He did hype it quite a bit, and I think you make a reasonable point about him possibly trying to make other people happy instead of himself.

He'd also said something about Tomas being really enthusiastic about the album as well, which I thought was interesting. Maybe Tomas had more input on TSONE than some previous works by the group. Or maybe not. cheesy

It does seem like Roine needed a change of pace after TSONE and the subsequent tour. Kind of a chance to recharge his batteries and do some projects where he could stretch out a bit more and try other things.

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I believe there will be another album as well and all the guys will come back together with renewed energy after all of their excellent side-projects.

LONG LIVE TFK!!

These side-projects have been awesome, haven't they? smiley

Transatlantic's The Whirlwind was really good, I thought. Surprisingly good actually. They seemed to be more like a true band this time around. Seeing them live in concert was amazing, and easily one of the best shows I've ever been to (if you don't have the Whirld Tour 2010 CD/DVD, you must correct this). cheesy

The new Agents of Mercy disc is excellent as well, in a totally different way. Then there's 3rd World Electric, Karmakanic, Eggs & Dogs, HFMC... Lots of nice stuff. smiley

Still, when TFK returns, it will be triumphant I believe.
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« Reply #4479 on: Nov 6th, 2010, 09:39am »

on Nov 3rd, 2010, 04:11am, Nov wrote:
Sorry CC.

Please cheer up though wink



This just goes to show how strong the TFK catalogue is.

If TSONE was a debut album by a new prog band it would probably be amazing. I can still listen to it and enjoy it but it just doesn't move me like the other albums. As Steve alluded to, it's all a bit calculated - kind of prog by numbers. The only track that does move me is the last one which has more emotion in it.

I think that Roine was trying too hard to please other people rather than himself with this album. He then over-hyped it before it came out.

I also think that the subsequent tour lost money, especially with having Pat Mastelotto drumming. I don't think he suited the band at all and probably cost Roine a lot of money to hire.

I suspect that Roine was hoping that this album and tour (especially with PM on board) was going to elevate TFK to a different level but it just didn't happen and I think Roine just needed a break from TFK after that.



I believe there will be another album as well and all the guys will come back together with renewed energy after all of their excellent side-projects.

LONG LIVE TFK!!


I tend to agree with all of this. Well said Nov! wink
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« Reply #4480 on: Nov 9th, 2010, 4:24pm »

I think it's about time I dug out Meet The Flower Kings and had a good listen to it again. (The cd, not the dvd for a change.) smiley
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« Reply #4481 on: Nov 11th, 2010, 5:15pm »

Currently playing Steve Hackett - Tribute, and it got me to thinking, wouldn't it be great if Roine did an acoustic album along the same lines? Maybe a selection of covers or an album of complete originals, or a mixture of the two, he's certainly capable of any combination. In fact, he and Steve together could produce something rather special in that field, I think. smiley
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« Reply #4482 on: Nov 11th, 2010, 5:29pm »

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« Reply #4483 on: Nov 11th, 2010, 5:58pm »

on Nov 11th, 2010, 5:15pm, Chessman wrote:
Currently playing Steve Hackett - Tribute, and it got me to thinking, wouldn't it be great if Roine did an acoustic album along the same lines? Maybe a selection of covers or an album of complete originals, or a mixture of the two, he's certainly capable of any combination. In fact, he and Steve together could produce something rather special in that field, I think. smiley


That sounds great, Carl. I would also like to see an instrumental progressive rock album by just about any of the Swedish progmeisters. Come to think of it, 3rd World Electric has done exactly that, except it's jazz/fusion. Great album by the way. I'm currently listening to Anthony Phillips "Private Parts and Pieces IV" imagining Roine playing in that style. I'd love to hear what Roine could compose along the same lines.
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« Reply #4484 on: Nov 13th, 2010, 07:53am »

on Nov 11th, 2010, 5:58pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
That sounds great, Carl. I would also like to see an instrumental progressive rock album by just about any of the Swedish progmeisters. Come to think of it, 3rd World Electric has done exactly that, except it's jazz/fusion. Great album by the way. I'm currently listening to Anthony Phillips "Private Parts and Pieces IV" imagining Roine playing in that style. I'd love to hear what Roine could compose along the same lines.


The 3rd world electric project is something I need to get round to hearing at some point. Sounds right up my street. As for Roine playing stuff in the vein of Ant Phillips, well, imagine an album featuring all three guitarists, Roine, Ant and Steve! I might just be tempted to buy that! cool
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