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« Reply #4275 on: Apr 4th, 2010, 4:44pm »

Hmm, looks like new TFK material is less likely by the minute. Still, you never know with Roine. Just one thing worries me sometimes, he often mentions the vintage equipment he and the other musicians are using - I hope that doesn't become more important than the music in the future.
It's nice to hear that vintage stuff is being used, but the music is paramount and should come first, whatever the equipment used. smiley
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« Reply #4276 on: Apr 4th, 2010, 4:51pm »

on Apr 4th, 2010, 4:44pm, Chessman wrote:
Hmm, looks like new TFK material is less likely by the minute. Still, you never know with Roine. Just one thing worries me sometimes, he often mentions the vintage equipment he and the other musicians are using - I hope that doesn't become more important than the music in the future.
It's nice to hear that vintage stuff is being used, but the music is paramount and should come first, whatever the equipment used. smiley


Yeah, I'm with you on that.
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« Reply #4277 on: Apr 4th, 2010, 8:48pm »

I'm still on the fence with AoM. I listened to the samples on myspace...it was ok..but didn't grab me. However...I will be attending the Transatlantic show this month, and if they're selling it at the merch desk....I will probably cave in!!
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« Reply #4278 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 12:13am »

on Apr 4th, 2010, 8:48pm, progfan wrote:
I'm still on the fence with AoM. I listened to the samples on myspace...it was ok..but didn't grab me. However...I will be attending the Transatlantic show this month, and if they're selling it at the merch desk....I will probably cave in!!


The AoM samples didn't grab me either when I listened to them. It took me hearing the actual album, with the complete songs, before I finally "got it". Now I love it.

Maybe you will too. So don't give up! smiley
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« Reply #4279 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 07:06am »

Straight from the horses (Roine) mouth. From the Flower Kings Yahoo group, basically brought about by a discussion of Paradox Hotel. More very interesting but slightly worrying comments:

"Without going into further detail it would probably be honest to say that TFK have been in & out of "decay" or "unity" for the last 10-12 years - but at this now I'd say it's not either way - it's just "on ice" for now.

Personally, looking from the inside, I wouldn't agree that TFK was at it's most "unity" around Paradox Hotel tour, but indeed some shows were really good - the Tilburg 013 - "Instant Delivery DVD " comes to mind. The album was an OK experience but studio had a few flaws and I seem to remember a bit of low interest from a few members in hearing some of the drumming that was done for lengthy tracks like Monsters & Men and Minor Giant Steps, so I personally felt that we weren't THAT close or much of a "unit" - it was still a bit of a ego trip.

I always devote 100% to ANY recording regardless of who wrote the song, but that's not always what comes natural for everyone, I'd say some ego clouded that period for me personally - but is now romanticised to be a golden era - it wasn't.

As for live - I suspect that the fact we tried to cut out the loose bits and jamming and concentrated on playing "a show" as precise as possible, may cause some people to feel that we were "TFK best ever " or had most "band feel" at the time. Same show every night - after some time you get good at it - we were just a bit more professional than other times. However in total there was no more or no less "band feel" than any other era at the time, just a different set, different line up, some of the band more enthusiastic, others less. The constant turbulence of drummers going in and out does a bit of harm to the band feel, also energy going elsewhere in times where focus needed to be on TFK takes a toll after a while.

The multitude of this weave is way to complex to fully understand for anyone outside the band and even hard for any member in the band. Record companies, economics, egos, personal lives, luck, state of the recording and touring business, fans reactions, side projects, the internet gossip, band history, band chemistry and possibly the stars positions have all an impact even on prog luminaries like TFK.

I know anyone is entitled to their opinion but personally I felt TFK golden years were maybe 1997-2002 and then that right feel came back while working on "Sum Of No Evil" - that I personally remember as a very happy
recording, very powerful, positive and complex and where there actually WAS a real band feel and commitment (imho).

"Unfold The Future" also had a strong commitment, especially from Jonas & Zoltan and Daniel added some too - Space Revolver and in particular Flower Power and Stardust had some really good input from Tomas and we had good fun doing it, it was a mindset of wanting the band to elevate - for the good of all - band AND individuals.

Personally I do not feel that there is one single album or tour that is head and shoulders above any other - just different - but SONE, SWA and UTF are really strong and innovative symph rock albums (including the crappy tune Christianopel....) and Space Revolver comes close.

As for single songs I think "Love Supreme" is one of our best epics , "Paradox Hotel" is a good album too - but I tend to agree that it could have been cut down to a fabulous single CD.

I used to like "Monsters and Men too, but fell out of love as we started to record it - With the drummer dissin' the tune verbally and hearing over and over how he hated to play to a click got me a bit sad and with rest of band not even in the control room caring to enthuse him or me I felt the song was deserted from square one.

Maybe I'm too sensitive but I just got a bad feeling about it. Furthermore it never reached the potential I felt it had,




FASCINATING STUFF!!

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« Reply #4280 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 4:53pm »

I'm not feeling good about all these mixed messages from the various band members. Hopefully it's all an overreaction and they'll be back to making music soon.
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« Reply #4281 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 6:19pm »

I think Roine's enjoying a taste of what it's like to write with musicians who work equally and fairly.

With TFK, Roine is the band's leader and founder, which I expect puts a lot of weight on his shoulders, and I'm sure that gets a bit tiresome with each consecutive album.

With Transatlantic, Roine is most likely afforded an equal chunk of time per album, and doesn't have to write 90% of all the songs. He did mention working on a new Agents Of Mercy album, and that band is still fresh and fun for him, I'm sure.

Regarding TFK, maybe all the in-fighting and perfectionism that comes from working with the other band members has soured Roine to the idea of working with them any time soon.

I'm glad to hear that he enjoyed making Unfold The Future. For me, this is one of the best prog releases ever. Sum Of No Evil and Paradox Hotel are among my least favorite TFK albums. It doesn't surprise me in the that he mentions Marcus Lilliequist not being a team player. Marcus never liked progressive rock, and it showed big time on Instant Delivery, as well as his work on the Paradox Hotel album. When you compare his efforts to Jaime Salazar and Zoltan Csorsz, well there really is no comparison at all.

If Zoltan, Tomas, Jonas and Roine could someday put their heads together again, even it was just for one final TFK release, I know they could hit it out of the ballpark. Each of them are magnificent musicians in their own right, and they've shown what they're capable of. It'll just have to be done in their own time.
(HOPE IT'S SOON!) wink
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« Reply #4282 on: Apr 7th, 2010, 04:59am »

on Apr 6th, 2010, 6:19pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
If Zoltan, Tomas, Jonas and Roine could someday put their heads together again, even it was just for one final TFK release, I know they could hit it out of the ballpark. Each of them are magnificent musicians in their own right, and they've shown what they're capable of. It'll just have to be done in their own time.
(HOPE IT'S SOON!) wink

Don't forget Hasse!! wink

Together with the 4 guys you mentioned, they make up the fab 5 TFK line-up for me.

What I'd love to hear from The Flower Kings is a true band effort with all of these 5 fantastic musicians contributing equally to the project.

They've all proved to Roine that they can release superb material with their various side-projects and Karmakanic (for example) get as good, if not better, reviews than TFK.

If they were all pulling in the same direction they could release something even more extraordinary than they have already.

I'm so worried that they are going to just fade away without having achieved anywhere near the recognition that they so deserve cry

The good thing is that people are discovering them (and falling in love with them) all the time though. Look at this blog for eaxmple:

http://joshalmond.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/the-flower-kings/

If only everyone who would love them as much as that guy could "find" them..........

......look at this young guy - OK he's pissed and it's pretty grim but he obvioulsy loves the band and he's young!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4-EWUeCsLM

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« Reply #4283 on: Apr 7th, 2010, 07:50am »

on Apr 7th, 2010, 04:59am, Nov wrote:
Don't forget Hasse!! wink



I mentioned only the four guys because I'd actually like to see them release an instrumental album. The music is closer to my heart than the lyrics. If they've only got one album left in them, I'd like it to be without vocals. It seems Hasse and Roine have quite a chasm between them right now anyway.
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« Reply #4284 on: Apr 7th, 2010, 8:51pm »

on Apr 7th, 2010, 07:50am, CountingOutTime wrote:
I mentioned only the four guys because I'd actually like to see them release an instrumental album. The music is closer to my heart than the lyrics. If they've only got one album left in them, I'd like it to be without vocals. It seems Hasse and Roine have quite a chasm between them right now anyway.

no no no ... Hasse & Roine work [and sing] great together. PLEASE don't go wishing for a final record without vocals. lets all take a deep breath... ahhh... I feel better . cool
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« Reply #4285 on: Apr 8th, 2010, 05:18am »

on Apr 7th, 2010, 8:51pm, bassman wrote:
no no no ... Hasse & Roine work [and sing] great together. PLEASE don't go wishing for a final record without vocals. lets all take a deep breath... ahhh... I feel better . cool

I'm with you on the bassman wink

I'd love to see them play again and they need Hasse in the band coz he's brilliant to watch.

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« Reply #4286 on: Apr 8th, 2010, 1:04pm »

on Apr 8th, 2010, 05:18am, Nov wrote:
I'm with you on the bassman wink

I'd love to see them play again and they need Hasse in the band coz he's brilliant to watch.



Maybe the ideal solution would be a double album; one disc with vocals, and the other purely instrumental. I agree with Nov, Hasse is an integral - and faithful - member of the band. They wouldn't sound the same now without his vocals. smiley
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« Reply #4287 on: Apr 8th, 2010, 1:09pm »

on Apr 8th, 2010, 1:04pm, Chessman wrote:
Maybe the ideal solution would be a double album; one disc with vocals, and the other purely instrumental. I agree with Nov, Hasse is an integral - and faithful - member of the band. They wouldn't sound the same now without his vocals. smiley


Dream Theater released their last double album album, "Black Clouds And Silver Linings,' with one disc no vocals. It's the only one of the two discs I listen to. I much prefer a wonderfully orchestrated instrumental album to one with vocals. Just my taste. I highly recommend this Dream Theater CD by the way.
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« Reply #4288 on: Apr 8th, 2010, 9:19pm »

Thanks for posting that, Nov. It was a very interesting read from Roine.

Interesting that he said that the recording sessions for The Sum of No Evil were closer-knit and more of an upbeat, happy time period. For me personally, I can really hear the "happy" vibe when I listen to TSONE. It's still probably my favorite TFK recording (well, of their single-disc alums at least).

I sincerely hope we haven't seen the last of TFK. Maybe they just need some time apart.
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« Reply #4289 on: Apr 10th, 2010, 6:38pm »

I still feel confident that we will hear more from them yet, even if we have to wait. I'm sure their differences aren't on the same scale as some other bands, such as Floyd or Oasis. smiley
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