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« Reply #60 on: Nov 23rd, 2016, 4:32pm »

on Nov 23rd, 2016, 3:42pm, FeelItComing wrote:
Would you care to elaborate on this?


Umm, no I was told some things in confidence that I don't think is appropriate to be shared on a public forum, sorry. I thought he may have come clean on a few things but they weren't mentioned. The one thing I will say however was that he never mentioned anything about the falling out with Chester. I have heard they may never work together again so it must have been major which is sad...
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« Reply #61 on: Nov 23rd, 2016, 5:01pm »

on Nov 23rd, 2016, 4:32pm, Yild4Genesis wrote:
Umm, no I was told some things in confidence that I don't think is appropriate to be shared on a public forum, sorry.


Do you have insider information on Phil? Who do you know? It's fine if you don't feel comfortable answering either of those questions.
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« Reply #62 on: Dec 3rd, 2016, 01:15am »

Wow, my wife and I listened to the audiobook while doing a long car journey and both felt it was very much warts and all. He certainly doesn't leave out many sordid details about the big rock star being no different than anyone else when going through the struggles with alcohol abuse later in his life, except maybe having the means to get access to treatment quickly. He makes it very clear that he chose career over family many times and paid dearly for it. Doesn't mean he's a horrible person and he's gone to great lengths to try and make amends to his sons and daughters but in warts and all fashion tells about the choices he made and the consequences of those choices.

on Nov 23rd, 2016, 12:22am, Yild4Genesis wrote:
I've certainly enjoyed reading the book but it's certainly no "warts and all" revelation. Some parts have been glossed over and other things have been glaringly omitted. But overall, I found it a good and at times funny account of his life
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« Reply #63 on: Dec 3rd, 2016, 08:25am »

on Nov 23rd, 2016, 4:32pm, Yild4Genesis wrote:
the falling out with Chester. I have heard they may never work together again so it must have been major which is sad...


I thought that was a misunderstanding! When Phil did rehearsals a couple of years ago and didn't use Chester on drums for the rehearsals, as far as I understood it it was because Chester was busy with other stuff at that point, perhaps his jazz band? Or has there really been a conflict between Phil and Chester? How much is actually known about this?

In any case, if Phil and Chester will never work together again it's sad. I really like Chester's playing and he's a really cool guy!
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« Reply #64 on: Dec 3rd, 2016, 3:01pm »

on Dec 3rd, 2016, 08:25am, AnythingNow wrote:
I thought that was a misunderstanding! When Phil did rehearsals a couple of years ago and didn't use Chester on drums for the rehearsals, as far as I understood it it was because Chester was busy with other stuff at that point, perhaps his jazz band? Or has there really been a conflict between Phil and Chester? How much is actually known about this?

In any case, if Phil and Chester will never work together again it's sad. I really like Chester's playing and he's a really cool guy!


No misunderstanding. There's been a falling out. I doubt they will ever play together again. It's sad and reminds me of the falling out between Liberty Devito and Billy Joel...
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« Reply #65 on: Dec 4th, 2016, 4:44pm »

on Dec 3rd, 2016, 3:01pm, Yild4Genesis wrote:
No misunderstanding. There's been a falling out. I doubt they will ever play together again. It's sad and reminds me of the falling out between Liberty Devito and Billy Joel...


But what happened? And what information do we have? I can't understand how they, after working together for thirty years, all of the sudden would have a fall out! I assume they had quite a deep friendship after all these years, and what would possibly change that?
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« Reply #66 on: Dec 5th, 2016, 01:18am »

on Dec 4th, 2016, 4:44pm, AnythingNow wrote:
But what happened? And what information do we have? I can't understand how they, after working together for thirty years, all of the sudden would have a fall out! I assume they had quite a deep friendship after all these years, and what would possibly change that?


Sorry but if PHIL didn't mention anything about it in his book then I'm certainly going to talk about it on a public forum...
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« Reply #67 on: Dec 6th, 2016, 08:52am »

on Dec 5th, 2016, 01:18am, Yild4Genesis wrote:
Sorry but if PHIL didn't mention anything about it in his book then I'm certainly going to talk about it on a public forum...


But you already did.

I bet it's one of those: 'well Alan Hewitt told kiwidave who in turn told Greek hogweed who in turn passed it onto Woody who told me' things grin
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« Reply #68 on: Dec 6th, 2016, 8:29pm »

I remember there being some talk one or two years ago that that there had been some kind of conflict, but I can't find that now. But maybe it was Yild4Genesis telling us the same thing then?

Are there any publicly available information that could be interpreted as a conflict between Phil and Chester?

Or do we only have the word of Yild4Genesis (who I assume has some personal connections to somebody who knows Phil or Chester)?

I'm absolutely not questioning what you're telling, Yild4Genesis. I'm just trying to check which available facts we have (or do not have).
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« Reply #69 on: Dec 7th, 2016, 1:35pm »

on Dec 6th, 2016, 08:52am, Lily wrote:
But you already did.

I bet it's one of those: 'well Alan Hewitt told kiwidave who in turn told Greek hogweed who in turn passed it onto Woody who told me' things grin


I remember hearing comments made by the band in the commentary track included in The Way We Walk Live in Concert DVD. At one point you can hear someone making a comment about Chester and it's not friendly to say the least. I really felt they had an issue with Chester.

I believe the comments were recorded in the early 2000s. Given that they later played together on several occasions, maybe it was just one of those business disputes.
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« Reply #70 on: Dec 7th, 2016, 6:26pm »

or misinterpreted English humour/banter/honesty - if the totally OTT reaction to Tony's comments in the infamous documentary are anything to go by, it's often misunderstood. If they had an issue with Chester, he wouldn't have been in the band and it's offshoots for 33 years

The commentary soundtrack is so badly mixed I'm surprised you heard any background comment about Chester, other than possibly Nick's (admiring) observations about him having the headphones off, feet up, and making a cup of tea the moment his part was over (old medley).

Chester was a bit miffed about not being invited to drum on CAS, he still came back when asked, as he did after the Ricky Lawson era. The only negative comment I can recall from the band, is that he's often late, also said with a big smile on their faces

All this dropping hints that we know something you don't is a bit primary school playground, not the first time it's happened on this forum
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« Reply #71 on: Dec 8th, 2016, 08:00am »

on Dec 7th, 2016, 6:26pm, ftf wrote:
All this dropping hints that we know something you don't is a bit primary school playground, not the first time it's happened on this forum


agreed, and it's also throwing the stone and hiding the hand.
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« Reply #72 on: Dec 8th, 2016, 11:52am »

on Dec 7th, 2016, 6:26pm, ftf wrote:
or misinterpreted English humour/banter/honesty


Yes, all three of them have a quite drastic sence of humour. For instance Tony talking about Phil's solo career: "We wanted him to be successful, but not that successful."

Or another Tony quote from a 1987 documentary: "'The Brazilian' is quite like some of the stuff I do on my solo albums. So if you like that you can go and buy one of them. [laughter in the background and Tony smilingly continuing] ... which noone does!"

(Quotes from my memory.)

on Dec 7th, 2016, 6:26pm, ftf wrote:
Chester was a bit miffed about not being invited to drum on CAS


Yes, as far as I heard he asked to drum on CAS and to be a permanent member of the group. Tony and Mike wanted to do things differently, but I understand Chester's reaction to that. Also, I would have found the 1997 version of Genesis a bit more interesting had Chester been included. Tony and Mike missed an opportunity to preserve some continuity there.

on Dec 7th, 2016, 6:26pm, ftf wrote:
he still came back when asked, as he did after the Ricky Lawson era


As far as I've understood it was Chester's choice to not go on tour with Phil in 1994. He wanted some time off from music and spend time with his family. Then, apparently, in 1997 he wanted to be involved in music again, and asked to join the CAS project.
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« Reply #73 on: Dec 10th, 2016, 2:49pm »

on Dec 7th, 2016, 6:26pm, ftf wrote:
or misinterpreted English humour/banter/honesty - if the totally OTT reaction to Tony's comments in the infamous documentary are anything to go by, it's often misunderstood. If they had an issue with Chester, he wouldn't have been in the band and it's offshoots for 33 years

The commentary soundtrack is so badly mixed I'm surprised you heard any background comment about Chester, other than possibly Nick's (admiring) observations about him having the headphones off, feet up, and making a cup of tea the moment his part was over (old medley).

Chester was a bit miffed about not being invited to drum on CAS, he still came back when asked, as he did after the Ricky Lawson era. The only negative comment I can recall from the band, is that he's often late, also said with a big smile on their faces

All this dropping hints that we know something you don't is a bit primary school playground, not the first time it's happened on this forum


I am so sorry that I posted my comment. I thought I had heard things and I was wrong. Please accept my apologies.
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Yes, as far as I heard he asked to drum on CAS and to be a permanent member of the group. Tony and Mike wanted to do things differently, but I understand Chester's reaction to that. Also, I would have found the 1997 version of Genesis a bit more interesting had Chester been included. Tony and Mike missed an opportunity to preserve some continuity there.


I like Chester's drumming a lot, but I was fine with the idea of the recruitment of Nir Z and Nick on CAS as Tony and Mike were the continuity for the band to go forward. As Mike once said that Nir was a great find and Tony praised him too. In a 2004 interview Tony was asked about Chester and CAS, in which he felt that Chester would not have quite understood the process of how he and Mike worked to make a Genesis album. Perhaps in certain ways Mike and Tony were quite keen to bring in new and fresh musicians for CAS. That was their approach for CAS
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