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xx Do you explore music by genres or by bands?
« Thread started on: May 25th, 2015, 1:37pm »

Which is your preferred way to find new music: do you try to find everything in your favourite genre or do you rather seek for outputs by persona? This might be an unusual question so let me elaborate a little bit:

Last night I dug out two Morcheeba albums I own. I was thinking back when I bought them and what brought that band to my attention. It occured to me that 10 years ago - that's when I purchased these two CDs - I had a strong "thing" for late 90's/early 2000's triphop, nujazz, etc., the slower-paced electronic music of that time that grew more and more jazzy. I remembered it was around the same time that I got a Minus 8 album, a Touch and Go album, two De-Phazz albums, a DJ Spinna album (that last one leans more towards rap and r'n'b but is heavy on electro jazz and soul as well)... In short, lots of different artists but all pretty much from the same kind of genre, or at least a very closely-related cloud of genres.

Now, that was "only" 10 years ago but it striked me as odd - not that I don't like that music genre any more, those albums are nice and I still like most of them. But: I realized my habits of what CDs I buy, how I explore and find new music have changed a lot. Today I'm interested in the branches of Genesis, in particular Tony, Steve, Ant, and I'm still working my way through all of their output. Lately I listened to a lot of Art of Noise stuff again and I got really interested in what the various members did besides that project, the last couple days I found myself going through youtube and a few AoN fan pages to find out what Trevor Horn, Anne Dudley, JJ Jeczalik etc. were involved in. I also remembered that I still don't know every album of another of my favourite bands, Flim & The BB's, and I really want to find out what the members of that band were doing after the splitup.

In short, I figured out I currently don't care too much about finding every band of a certain genre within a certain range of time. At the moment I am completely on tracking certain persona I favour - musicians, producers, arrangers etc. - and finding all of their respective works and co-works over time, no matter what genre they might fit in. That's a real change for me: back then when I bought these Morcheeba CDs I got them because they were from a genre (triphop) and a certain time (1996-1998), I never bothered what these guys did afterwards and in possible side projects. Although I'm getting interested now wink

So yea, maybe you get my point. Of course you can never separate the two ways of exploring music entirely. Still it seems to me one of the two ways will dominate anyone's approach to finding music.
Let's take Genesis as an example: a lot of people seem to get obsessed with prog as a genre and try to find every single output that fits that drawer while they block out anything that doesn't. If you do that, you will follow Genesis' output only this far and rather use your time to explore all the other prog albums in history than all of the later Genesis stuff and its non-prog side branches. Once you start exploring Genesis by anything the band members were involved you will soon end in a hell of a number of genres; the sheer number of all of their solo albums will set a limit to the time you could spend on finding lots of prog albums by vast amounts of other bands. So one way or another you will specialize either in a universe restricted by genre and/or time frame or in a web of personal connections. Can you still follow me or did I get too carried away with my thoughts? wink

Anyway, how do you find new music? Do you seek out particular genres with all their different bands or rather artists and all their manifold projects?
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« Reply #1 on: May 25th, 2015, 3:40pm »

It's certainly a lot easier to delve into the career of a single artist who has been involved in a variety of different projects (i.e. Steven Wilson, Steve Winwood, Eric Clapton).

However, I think it's sort of fun to research a genre of music and discover bands or artists you think you might like.
In recent years, I've explored Italian prog and East Indian music and found some albums within those genres that I've since added to my collection and really enjoy.
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« Reply #2 on: May 25th, 2015, 7:24pm »

Just a short answer to this big issue:

Being a fan of Genesis exposes you to a lot of different genres. Phil introduced me to jazz through his Big Band project. I bought the A Hot Night in Paris album and subsequently learned to love those very different versions of the songs as well as the genre itself.

Also, your favourite artist's collaborations can make you discover other interesting artists. A recent exemple: Mike introduced me to Andrew Roachford!
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« Reply #3 on: May 26th, 2015, 04:47am »

Hi there


Exactly. that and word of mouth are still the best ways of discovering new and exciting music even if the music in question is not actually "new" if you haven't heard it before it is new to you.


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« Reply #4 on: May 26th, 2015, 09:00am »

I have sites that I visit each week to see what reviewers think of new releases.

I only use sites that I trust; ie, www.progarchives.com and www.dprp.net On these sites, I can see the top-rated albums of the past year and a list of the best prog albums of all time.

I also go to www.goldenmp3.ru each week and see what's new in the progressive rock genre.

While going thru the reviews, I almost always find artists I'd never heard of. If it piques my interest, I'll purchase it, especially if it gets a great review.

Of course, this forum has also provided a wealth of valuable information over the years. I've purchased many an album based solely on what someone has posted.
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« Reply #5 on: May 26th, 2015, 10:19am »

Most of the music I own, was brought to me by word of mouth. I became a Genesis fan in 1983. At that time, I had no idea, what "prog rock" was or that a thing like this existed. I became a fan of more "prog rock" bands later, but it wasn`t until the early 2000`s (by the help of the internet), that I became aware of this term and became a prog rock fan. Since these days, I discover a lot of bands by recommendation on internet forums or band related web sites. I also read the "Eclipsed" magazine every once in a while, which is the definite German prog rock magazine.

In the early nineties, I used to watch a lot of mtv and vh1, both of which were great sources of information. Many albums I own from that period were bought, because I saw a clip on mtv or vh1.

When I was younger, I also used to listen to the radio a lot. I remember, that SWF3 played the complete "Final Cut" album at the day of its release without interruption and I taped it.

Sometimes the tv can be helpful even these days. We have a late night show on German television, called Ina`s Welt and she usually has great artists guesting. One artist, I got to know from this show, is the Danish singer / songwriter Tina Dico.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26th, 2015, 1:13pm »

I discover it quite lackadaisically. I stumble across something, usually by accident, & if I like it then itís easy to check out back catalogue or similar groups via the internet. But I donít feel the need to check out a whole genre, & if a ďsimilarĒ band doesnít appeal after hearing a handful of tracks then Iíll give up & move on without feeling any obligation to persevere unwillingly. Big Big Train is a good example Ė I tried them after they were recommended here, but they didnít do much for me.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28th, 2015, 1:36pm »

I explore mostly by genre, but I try to find new artists that remind me of bands that I like without being too similar to them. I like the band Yes but that doesn't mean I'm going to research every band that sounds like a Yes imitation, but is influenced by them.

For example, I bought the Haken trilogy because I was told that their music is very Porcupine Tree-related. I was going to go for Opeth, but perhaps Opeth is a bit too big of a jump at the moment, as I've heard that a lot of their music is very death metal-oriented, a genre that I've never been able to get into. I do know a few people on this forum that love Opeth though.

Sadly though (I've already said this in the "what are you listening to" thread but I'll say it again) I'm listening to music very inconsistently at the moment. I'm going entire weeks without listening to any albums, only occasionally feeling like I want to hear some. Perhaps, because I listened to hundreds of albums through my university life, and even more after that, I'm starting to feel rather worn out.
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« Reply #8 on: May 28th, 2015, 2:32pm »

on May 28th, 2015, 1:36pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
I explore mostly by genre, but I try to find new artists that remind me of bands that I like without being too similar to them. I like the band Yes but that doesn't mean I'm going to research every band that sounds like a Yes imitation, but is influenced by them.

For example, I bought the Haken trilogy because I was told that their music is very Porcupine Tree-related. I was going to go for Opeth, but perhaps Opeth is a bit too big of a jump at the moment, as I've heard that a lot of their music is very death metal-oriented, a genre that I've never been able to get into. I do know a few people on this forum that love Opeth though.

Sadly though (I've already said this in the "what are you listening to" thread but I'll say it again) I'm listening to music very inconsistently at the moment. I'm going entire weeks without listening to any albums, only occasionally feeling like I want to hear some. Perhaps, because I listened to hundreds of albums through my university life, and even more after that, I'm starting to feel rather worn out.


If you're a fan of Yes, NSOV, you would definitely enjoy Glass Hammer and Druckfarben. Great bands with a huge Yes influence.
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« Reply #9 on: May 29th, 2015, 2:41pm »

Never by genre, always by artist. I will discover an artist by accident, by recommendation, or some mechanism. I will then explore their catalogue.

I find it tricky going by genre. If an artist is described as being a lot like one I like, I often end up feeling they are too derivative.
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« Reply #10 on: May 29th, 2015, 7:42pm »

on May 29th, 2015, 2:41pm, Dr. John wrote:
If an artist is described as being a lot like one I like, I often end up feeling they are too derivative.


High five, mate wink I am always astonished how many people in the online world go this route - "I love artist/band XY, please recommend me every artist/band that sounds exactly the same!" Even worse, often I can't see how supposed similar artists are supposed to be similar.

Perfect example: I used to really like Nightwish on their early albums, finally a new band who have a really good keyboardist. Now, in every fan forum people go crazy about bands such as Epica, Tristania, Within Temptation, etc., all of them bands who have likewise a female singer and metal-y guitar riffs so they fall in the same category of "female-fronted metal". What none of them has is a decent keyboardist, the one thing that made Nightwish stand out for me. I don't care much if the singer is female or male or if the band is completely instrumental, and I'm not too keen on the metal riffs, in fact I was glad Nightwish lean a lot to the rock side for a metal band. But I seem to be the only Nightwish fan on earth who sees things like that.

The whole prog thing I find even weirder. A good deal of people in facebook groups and prog forums seems to think if you like Gabriel Genesis you have to get your head around Yes, King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator, Camel, Gentle Giant, and EL&P, you have to adore all of their albums and any other music is a no-go. Or people who say they want to get into fusion jazz and then it's down to Miles Davis' Bitches Brew and Mahavishnu Orchestra and listening to any smooth jazz records makes you a traitor. Or if you're interested in funk it has to be George Clinton and nothing else. It's this religious approach of identifying a genre with one or a tiny group of artists and blocking out any other music that I could never in my life put up with, yet it seems to be spread out like a disease in the internet world.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30th, 2015, 07:57am »

on May 29th, 2015, 7:42pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
The whole prog thing I find even weirder. A good deal of people in facebook groups and prog forums seems to think if you like Gabriel Genesis you have to get your head around Yes, King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator, Camel, Gentle Giant, and EL&P, you have to adore all of their albums and any other music is a no-go.

Youíre right there. Is it partly because prog tends to appeal to people with a methodical mindset who like to categorise bands, so that if a set of groups have marked similarities then itís logical to like all of them? I can only speculate because I (& obviously you too) donít think in that way. Me, Iím just a sucker for a good tune that jumps out & grabs you, regardless of genre. And as far as I can hear, Genesis are crammed with good tunes in a way that their prog contemporaries just arenít.
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« Reply #12 on: May 30th, 2015, 08:24am »

Don't know whether to answer both or neither. I suppose I start in the place of hearing a song I really like. When I was younger that would be for example U2 and New Year's Day. Explored that bands back catalogue and became a fan. Discover other bands then either touring with them or compared to them, i.e. The Alarm, Waterboys, Simple Minds. Discover other artists mentioned by the band in interviews; Bruce Cockburn, Maria McKee. This trail has continued to today having seen bands like Glasvegas and Interpol support and mentioned by the band. This trail also led to Snow Patrol, Coldplay, Athlete etc. Bands influenced by U2 in some way.
Other bands/singers I discover via a festival community like Greenbelt. I enjoy music with emotion/spirituality. Have discovered loads of bands and singers this way. This includes Midnight Oil, Iona, Violet Burning etc.
For the prog side of things heard Garden Party by Marillion and fell in love with them. Also got into Pallas, IQ and Twelfth Night here. This caused me to look backwards to the original prog bands. Only really got into Genesis, Yes and a tiny bit of Rush here. Lost the trail a bit but then heard Marillion being compared to Coldplay in some ways. Investigated, loved it, then found more post-prog type stuff like Gazpacho, Pineapple Thief, Porcupine Tree etc. Almost a full circle swoop of music.
Now find I love so much random stuff, too much to keep up with.
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« Reply #13 on: May 31st, 2015, 03:58am »

Generally speaking, I have an interest in all types of music. (Frankly, I hate the idea of a kind of specific focus on any one type or category of music.)

I'm usually open to any recommendations of new artists or different stylistic genres. If I hear something that grabs my interest, for whatever reason, I will typically follow up on that initial exposure. For some of those initiations I will develop a long, faithful interest. For others I will simply stop listening.

[One curious comment to make here....I bought a Morcheeba CD based on certain recommendations and because of certain types of music that I liked (Digable Planets for example...), but after one listen I realized that it wasn't for me.]

Overall, I continue to listen to and enjoy lots of music and artists from my personal explorations, but I try to avoid defining what I think I should like.
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« Reply #14 on: Jun 1st, 2015, 09:05am »

I don't tend to actively seek out new artists /music much these days. I know a lot of people here have vast collections by myriad different artists, but personally I don't get how they find time to listen to it all. Not saying they're wrong to do it, but it's not for me.

In the past, I've picked up on artists by various methods: Friend's recommendations (Chris De Burgh for example, though he's long since gone off the boil), magazine articles (Nenci Griffith, around the "Lone Star State of Mind" album, she was country still, not a genre I had any interest in, but there she was, doing something special. Sadly, she's gone off the boil too.)

If an artist strings 2 or 3 really good singles together, it might make me buy an album, sometimes this is a good thing (Jem- "Finally Woken") sometimes bad (OMD - "Architecture & Morality" - 3 great singles, lots of filler).

Back in the 80's when UK music was in the gutter, and I was an active short wave listener, I used to tune into several stations for things like the European Charts (Deutche Welle for example) where you heard lots of things that were massive in Europe but unknown in the UK. Robin Gibb had an enormous hit with "Juliet". I bet no-one in the UK has even heard OF it.

This led me to several artists, such as Cock Robin (Massive in Europe, yet actually American albeit with a Chinese-Italian singer and an English guitarist), Sandra (wife of Michael "Enigma" Cretu at the time) and some NDW which will mean something to Schott! wink
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