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« Reply #30 on: Feb 20th, 2014, 06:34am »

Jazz rock yes, but trade and freeform/improvised jazz leaves me scratching my head. Like opera, I just don't get it. In most cases I heard a cacophony of non melodic and unstructured noise (mainly improvised stuff) but I guess it is just not for me and not a criticism of this form of music. My son loves jazz but then again he likes Norwegian black metal too.
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« Reply #31 on: Feb 20th, 2014, 08:06am »

on Feb 20th, 2014, 06:34am, NedFlanders wrote:
Jazz rock yes, but trade and freeform/improvised jazz leaves me scratching my head. Like opera, I just don't get it. In most cases I heard a cacophony of non melodic and unstructured noise (mainly improvised stuff) but I guess it is just not for me and not a criticism of this form of music. My son loves jazz but then again he likes Norwegian black metal too.

Wow, aren't black metal lovers always the first to claim any other form of music than black metal is commercial sellout? grin
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« Reply #32 on: Feb 20th, 2014, 11:04am »

on Feb 20th, 2014, 06:34am, NedFlanders wrote:
Jazz rock yes, but trade and freeform/improvised jazz leaves me scratching my head. Like opera, I just don't get it. In most cases I heard a cacophony of non melodic and unstructured noise (mainly improvised stuff) but I guess it is just not for me and not a criticism of this form of music....

I agree completely. I greatly enjoy when an artist is able to improvise in a way that maintains a satisfying flow, with logically occurring key and tempo changes, then returns to the structure of the song. Not many are able to do this, in my opinion... Miles Davis is one.

I feel the same about improvisational rock. The Grateful Dead were fantastic at this. Once or twice during a show they would diverge from the melody of a song to go off in different directions, but it almost always sounded right. There were brief moments of spaciness, sort of like "The Waiting Room," but then they would come together in an immensely satisfying and blissful way. Often the music would slowly meld into the introduction of another song, and the crowd would go wild. I miss them days.
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« Reply #33 on: Mar 3rd, 2014, 3:10pm »

What is your guys' opinion on jazz reworkings of classical pieces? Here's an example:



When I hear the first notes it makes me want to hear the original classical piece, especially because this piano piece (2nd movement of Beethoven's Pathétique) is really beautiful. The "jazzalisation" bothers me at first and that's a problem I always have with these jazz version of classical music, such as Jacques Loussier did before and many others too. On the other hand, I have to admit this version is fantastic. I am a fan of this pianist (Hiromi Uehara), hardly ever heard any jazz pianist that appealed to me this much.

So what do you think?

By the way, funny to see Simon Phillips play drums here; how strange this is the same guy who drummed on Smallcreep's Day and for Toto.
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« Reply #34 on: Mar 6th, 2014, 09:12am »

on Mar 3rd, 2014, 3:10pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
What is your guys' opinion on jazz reworkings of classical pieces?


When I hear the first notes it makes me want to hear the original classical piece, especially because this piano piece (2nd movement of Beethoven's Pathétique) is really beautiful. The "jazzalisation" bothers me at first and that's a problem I always have with these jazz version of classical music, such as Jacques Loussier did before and many others too. On the other hand, I have to admit this version is fantastic. I am a fan of this pianist (Hiromi Uehara), hardly ever heard any jazz pianist that appealed to me this much.

So what do you think?



I loved this version. There's another video with Debussy's Claire de Lune but I didn't liked it as much; she plays the piece as as a standard and then beautifully improvises over it, which is an far better approach than Loussier's band with Bach (adding jazz rhythm to written stuff); this sounds very artificial to me, even though I don't think it's easy to play at all. Their Debussy album is appalling.

I've hardly listened to this kind of stuff in jazz (Miles, Jim Hall, Bill Frissell) and got mixed feelings about it. I'm more acquainted with classical musicians doodling with jazz, but results are rather cheesy. tootongue
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« Reply #35 on: Mar 12th, 2014, 08:44am »

on Mar 3rd, 2014, 3:10pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
I am a fan of this pianist (Hiromi Uehara), hardly ever heard any jazz pianist that appealed to me this much.


Well the big 4 (Corea, Hancock, Jarrett, Zawinul) all played classical music as solo pieces, duets, or with orchestra. They certainly know their share of classical music and are certainly influenced by it. I'm personally not a fan of jazz reworkings of classical music as I see the two worlds as very different. I know Chick did Mozart things (some together with Bobby McFerrin) and composed an orchestral suite in the spirit of Mozart.

On the topic of Hiromi, I saw her with the Stanley Clarke band a few years ago. She's amazing smiley Stanley's normal keyboardist ran trough various scales during his solo stint in No Mystery (Return to Forever tune). It sounded like a practice exercise with no musical value whatsoever and he just kept going and going (to make it worse). Hiromi then totally outplayed Stanley's keyboardist with one of the most amazing and innovative piano solo's I'd heard. It was very embarrassing…
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« Reply #36 on: Mar 13th, 2014, 08:22am »

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Very much in Herbie's 'Headhunters' style!!
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« Reply #37 on: Mar 13th, 2014, 08:25am »

Second album is the self titled 'Resolution 88' https://www.facebook.com/Resolution88 (apparently one has to access fb pages nowadays, somethin' to do wiv yoof'n'social mejia, innit)! cool
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« Reply #38 on: Mar 19th, 2014, 3:10pm »

on Mar 13th, 2014, 08:22am, Ordinary Bloke wrote:
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Very much in Herbie's 'Headhunters' style!!


That Manu Katche's CD must be something else the quartet from The Soul of Things of Tomasz Stanko Quartet (my favourite by Tomasz Stanko) + Jan Garbarek shocked

Marcin Wacilewski is fabulous (Habanera from Simple Acoustic Trio is very nice) I have to listen of all his ECM releases including specially this one sad

The second one is not my style though, but I'll have a try and see what happens wink
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« Reply #39 on: Mar 19th, 2014, 4:18pm »

Hiromi Uehara is one of my fave jazz/fusion artists. She was discovered by Chick Corea when she was a teenager. Fabulous talent. She gets excited with every performance. Her band, Sonicbloom, is also amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXsuPkyFQuQ
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« Reply #40 on: Mar 19th, 2014, 7:45pm »

on Mar 19th, 2014, 4:18pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
Hiromi Uehara is one of my fave jazz/fusion artists. She was discovered by Chick Corea when she was a teenager. Fabulous talent. She gets excited with every performance. Her band, Sonicbloom, is also amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXsuPkyFQuQ


Wow, thank you!! shocked cheesy What I love about Hiromi is, besides her stunning playing, what fun and intensity she brings into her music! So many jazz musicians all do the reserved, chilled style - she makes me dance! laugh Also so fun to see her perform, she looks like such a fragile doll of a girl but she rocks like a kitty on speed grin Here, this is the first thing I ever heard and saw of hers and it rarely takes just one song to turn me into a fan of an artist but she made it smiley
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« Reply #41 on: Mar 24th, 2014, 11:24am »

What about these Bach and Debussy covers by Django Reindhardt? I'm unsure about Bachs's but love the nostalgic touch of Reverie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQZw3nema0Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ba3cl7Vt5M

There's some classical music inpired by jazz that I find much more natural, like these Gershwin Preludes or Alec Templeton's Pocket-Size Sonata.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLzXm984h54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7h7GsaBr34

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« Reply #42 on: Apr 22nd, 2014, 05:32am »

What do the forum's jazz lovers think about Esperanza Spalding?

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« Reply #43 on: Apr 22nd, 2014, 07:52am »

on Apr 22nd, 2014, 05:32am, Schrottrocker wrote:
What do the forum's jazz lovers think about Esperanza Spalding?

I'm definitely a fan. I have her last two albums. I've been meaning to see her live but things just haven't worked out yet.
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« Reply #44 on: Apr 22nd, 2014, 4:19pm »

Loving this album! Wonderful live jazz improv!

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