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« Reply #6 on: May 2nd, 2016, 09:09am »

on May 1st, 2016, 12:09pm, Dust wrote:
Sorry, but I don't really agree with any of this. Sure, someone who has virtually no idea who Prince or Bowie or Pink Floyd are may only think of one song when these artists are mentioned, but this is borne of ignorance and innocence and in my opinion is of no consequence to discerning music fans like most of those on this board. "Let's Dance"... "Hotel California"... "Invisible Touch"... I think y'all are reaching, no offense.


Dust, this rant of mine was not directed at anybody on this board. I was expressing my frustration about this phenomenon in general and I did experience it a lot lately. Maybe you are more lucky with radio stations in your country but here in Germany they all seem to have an unwritten to keep just one song by each artist (cf. my friend's story about Pink Floyd). A laudable exception is our station SWR1 who keep surprising me by playing lots of music that gets plainly ignored otherwise, such as Supper's Ready in its entirety or some really obscure Allan Holdsworth tracks and lots more.

Radio aside, I observed the same way of reducing a legend to one song even with other artists who pay tribute. Any musician who recently honoured Prince played Purple Rain - and nothing but Purple Rain. For Bowie it was Space Oddity, for Lemmy Ace of Spades... I really miss the mentioning of other songs all these artists created and imho it does a paint a wrong picture of these legends. Out of all the magnificent artists of, say, the last 60-70 years, I can only think of the Beatles and Freddie Mercury/Queen as the ones who give people a hard time where to begin with all their great songs, somehow they made it to leave people aware they did not just create this one awesome song (or two) but tons of awesome songs.
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« Reply #7 on: May 2nd, 2016, 09:45am »

on May 2nd, 2016, 09:09am, Schrottrocker wrote:
Maybe you are more lucky with radio stations in your country but here in Germany they all seem to have an unwritten to keep just one song by each artist.... Radio aside, I observed the same way of reducing a legend to one song even with other artists who pay tribute. Any musician who recently honoured Prince played Purple Rain - and nothing but Purple Rain. For Bowie it was Space Oddity....

You may be right that this is handled differently in different places. Most of the Bowie or Prince tributes I've observed--on TV, YouTube, Facebook, etc.--have covered a variety of different songs. I don't really listen to music on the radio. smiley
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« Reply #8 on: May 2nd, 2016, 5:25pm »

If people had really wanted to honour Glenn Frey they would have performed New Kid In Town. He only wrote a couple of lines of Take It Easy. A tribute was done in his home town of Detroit which was attended by a couple of friends of mine from the Eagles message board. The songs played were Take It Easy & Already Gone, which he also didn't write. There is nothing to be done about it, I guess.
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« Reply #9 on: May 3rd, 2016, 3:44pm »

on May 2nd, 2016, 5:25pm, FeelItComing wrote:
If people had really wanted to honour Glenn Frey they would have performed New Kid In Town. He only wrote a couple of lines of Take It Easy. A tribute was done in his home town of Detroit which was attended by a couple of friends of mine from the Eagles message board. The songs played were Take It Easy & Already Gone, which he also didn't write. There is nothing to be done about it, I guess.


If anything, Take It Easy is more a Jackson Browne tribute
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« Reply #10 on: May 4th, 2016, 11:35am »

Before I clicked on this thread, I thought it was going to be about some kind of music nerd exercise in trying to reduce an artist down to one essential song that encapsulates their artistry best. I think that would actually be kinda fun to do, even though it is obviously oversimplification for many.

Anyway, I agree with the various comments that radio and media in general tend to get this wrong, focusing on the most popular song by an artist, which isn't necessarily particularly definitive.
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« Reply #11 on: May 4th, 2016, 3:46pm »

Interesting thread! I'm thinking that reducing an artist to just one song (or very few songs) would have to do with the overall mainstreaming of music playing and music taste. People (supposedly) don't want to be surprised when listening to radio; they don't want something they don't already know. And many people's attention seems to be so short: if the first 20 seconds of a song aren't catchy they may switch channel.

Or at least some radio stations seems to believe this is the case, and are afraid to lose listeners if they play more unknown music. This can be a curse for an artist, for instance Phil Collins. Radio stations playing "One More Night" and "Another Day in Paradise" have made a lot of people hate him. He even apologized in an interview a few years back, saying something like: "I'm sorry, but I only wrote 'One More Night' once."
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« Reply #12 on: May 5th, 2016, 02:54am »

I really believe it is this fear of "overwhelming" the average listener that simplified everything in the pop music business more and more. Speaking for me, I just don't buy it. I am friends with a bunch of people who are not music nerds like us forumites are, you might be surprised how many people rely on mainstream radio as their main source for music - and again and again I hear people say pleasantly surprised they are when a song comes up that rarely ever gets played. Just as much as how people often have no clue about songs anymore that used to be hugely successful, just because nobody ever plays them.
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« Reply #13 on: May 5th, 2016, 05:55am »

I think, this is sort of inevitable. An average radio station usually depends on playing the songs, that everyone knows. If you want to dive deeper into certain genres or works of special artists, you will have to listen to a station, that is specialized on certain genres. The Delicious Agony station, for instance, is exclusively playing progressive rock. There are other stations, who play country, rhythm and blues, rock, heavy metal, and so on. There, you probably won`t have this "Artist reduced to one song" - problem.

As a constant listener of music, I must confess, that there are a lot of artists and bands, that I do not know more, than one or two songs of. For many years "Do it again" was the only Steely Dan song, I knew, until I became a fan. That is just one example of many. There is simply so much music in the world, that you cannot know any band or artist in detail. That is simply impossible and doesn`t necessarily mean, that you are overwhelmed. Sometimes you may take the chance and get to know a particular artist closer. That is really exciting then.
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« Reply #14 on: May 8th, 2016, 1:16pm »

I agree totally with Schrottrocker, and it's not just artists who have died who are treated like this. Take the band Travis. Not my type of band but I know many people liked them. Whenever they are mentioned what song is played? 'Why Does It Always Rain On Me?' Didn't they have any other hits? What about Spandau Ballet? 'Gold?' 'True?' Did they sing nothing else? This sort of thing is repeated time and time again. Regarding Queen, even they are not immune to this. They are often reduced to either 'Another One Bites The Dust' - (imo the worst single they ever released), 'Under Pressure' or 'Bohemian Rhapsody'.
I suppose it is true though that you need a radio station that specialises in a certain genre to get a more representative selection of songs by an artist played. rolleyes
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« Reply #15 on: May 8th, 2016, 5:32pm »

It was always my dream to own a progressive rock radio station where I could play album oriented rock. Each day would be something different. There's a radio station here in SoCal called The Sound. They play mostly classic rock songs that were hits, but hardly ever repeat songs. They're exactly what I've been waiting for.in a radio station with a lot less commercials too.

Check out this link to see what they're playing today.
http://playlist.thesoundla.com/onair/

On the prog side, there's an online radio station named 'Delicious Agony.' 'Papa' Jim Harrell, CalProg promoter, has his own show on there for 4 hours every Saturday night. Great stuff!

http://www.deliciousagony.com
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« Reply #16 on: May 8th, 2016, 6:43pm »

on May 8th, 2016, 1:16pm, Chessman wrote:
Regarding Queen, even they are not immune to this. They are often reduced to either 'Another One Bites The Dust' - (imo the worst single they ever released), 'Under Pressure' or 'Bohemian Rhapsody'.

Actually, incorrect. Queen are highly immune to this. They made me so many beloved hits that they've never been reduced to one or even a few songs. Apart from the ones you mentioned, popular Queen songs still frequently played on the radio include:

We Will Rock You
We Are The Champions
I Want To Break Free
Killer Queen
Don't Stop Me Now
Somebody To Love
Bicycle Race
You're My Best Friend
The Seven Seas Of Rhye
Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy
Crazy Little Thing Called Love
The Invisible Man
Radio Ga Ga
A Kind Of Magic
I Want It All
One Vision
The Show Must Go On
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« Reply #17 on: May 8th, 2016, 9:24pm »

on May 8th, 2016, 1:16pm, Chessman wrote:
I agree totally with Schrottrocker, and it's not just artists who have died who are treated like this. Take the band Travis. Not my type of band but I know many people liked them. Whenever they are mentioned what song is played? 'Why Does It Always Rain On Me?' Didn't they have any other hits? What about Spandau Ballet? 'Gold?' 'True?' Did they sing nothing else? This sort of thing is repeated time and time again. Regarding Queen, even they are not immune to this. They are often reduced to either 'Another One Bites The Dust' - (imo the worst single they ever released), 'Under Pressure' or 'Bohemian Rhapsody'.
I suppose it is true though that you need a radio station that specialises in a certain genre to get a more representative selection of songs by an artist played. rolleyes


No offense but with regards to Travis and Spandau Ballet, that's pretty much all I know from them. Let's face it, if there is a news report or whatever on those bands, they would play those songs because that's all Joe public would identify with
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« Reply #18 on: May 20th, 2016, 09:50am »

What about poor old Ralph McTell?

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on May 8th, 2016, 6:43pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
Actually, incorrect. Queen are highly immune to this. They made me so many beloved hits that they've never been reduced to one or even a few songs. Apart from the ones you mentioned, popular Queen songs still frequently played on the radio include:

We Will Rock You
We Are The Champions
I Want To Break Free
Killer Queen
Don't Stop Me Now
Somebody To Love
Bicycle Race
You're My Best Friend
The Seven Seas Of Rhye
Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy
Crazy Little Thing Called Love
The Invisible Man
Radio Ga Ga
A Kind Of Magic
I Want It All
One Vision
The Show Must Go On


Not all of them get airplay here in Germany but yes, there's at least
- Don't Stop Me Now
- Radio Ga Ga
- We are the Champions
- We Will Rock You
- The Show Must Go On
- Who Wants To Live Forever
- A Kind Of Magic
and surprisingly, even Innuendo keeps coming up. Queen somehow made it to steer around that one biggest song right from the start, unfortunately they are an exception (next to the Beatles I guess).

For Travis, yes I have to agree, most people don't seem to remember that band had any other songs at all. What about "Sing"? That was always my favourite, though not their most successful one.

Funny, this just reminds me how about 10 years ago a number of people I was friends with all wanted to go see Green Day because they loved 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' so much - and they ended up slightly surprised to find a punk band performing... grin
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« Reply #20 on: May 20th, 2016, 7:16pm »

Neil Young gets reduced to Heart Of Gold.
Van Morrison gets reduced to Brown Eyed Girl.
The Bee Gees are reduced to'disco''.......
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