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« Thread started on: May 4th, 2017, 3:38pm »

Yet another re-release of From Genesis to Revelation has just appeared on Spotify, this time dubbed "50 Years Ago" featuring remixes of most of the tracks with Jonathan King's horrible orchestration mixed out, supposedly from "recently discovered multitracks never heard before". There are some demos and vocal takes too.

Unfortunately, it's been released by King's label "Jonjo Music" which is a total deal-breaker for me. I have no intention of putting money in the pocket of a convicted child molester.

I think I'll pirate it once it becomes available.
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xx Re: FGTR Remixes Released
« Reply #1 on: May 4th, 2017, 4:05pm »

Ant Phillips is in possession of FGTR demos that was recently discovered by him and Alan while doing a TWR interview
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« Reply #2 on: May 4th, 2017, 4:39pm »

I sampled the remixes on Amazon. They sound improved, but I don't know if the improvement is enough to warrant buying the mp3s.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07194R5TN/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493933432&sr=8-1&keywords=genesis+50+years+ago
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« Reply #3 on: May 4th, 2017, 4:52pm »

I was excited at first to see a seven-and-a-half minute version of "A Winter's Tale", but it's just several false starts and some vaguely interesting chatter. You can tell the guys didn't yet have their game together here, particularly John Silver. And of course, we have to shell out for yet another copy of the original album tracks. rolleyes

Update: On second listen, someone calls him "Chris", so I guess that Chris Stewart on the drums.
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« Reply #4 on: May 4th, 2017, 6:59pm »

I went ahead and purchased these songs. Buying the songs is really not the same as pimping out a child to Jonathan King. I think I can live with my decision.
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« Reply #5 on: May 5th, 2017, 07:12am »

I'd like to hear the "Winter's Tale" version once just to get a listen behind the scenes, especially as poor Chris struggles to get the drum part right. (I don't think his drumming is exactly bad on the few Genesis tracks where we hear him, but who knows how many takes it took?) Other than that these remixes don't sound like they'd be of interest to me.
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« Reply #6 on: May 5th, 2017, 07:19am »

The difference in clarity with some of these remixes is like night and day. I just wish it had been released as FLAC or CD.
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« Reply #7 on: May 5th, 2017, 11:20am »

on May 5th, 2017, 07:12am, onetwothree wrote:
I'd like to hear the "Winter's Tale" version once just to get a listen behind the scenes, especially as poor Chris struggles to get the drum part right. (I don't think his drumming is exactly bad on the few Genesis tracks where we hear him, but who knows how many takes it took?) Other than that these remixes don't sound like they'd be of interest to me.


You can hear it free on Spotify. I like the remixes so far. By lightening up on the reverb, they've made the songs sound a bit fresher and clearer. Interestingly, I find myself missing the brass arrangement on "Where the Sour Turns to Sweet". I think it added some power to the song that just isn't there otherwise.
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« Reply #8 on: May 5th, 2017, 1:33pm »

on May 5th, 2017, 07:12am, onetwothree wrote:
I'd like to hear the "Winter's Tale" version once just to get a listen behind the scenes, especially as poor Chris struggles to get the drum part right. (I don't think his drumming is exactly bad on the few Genesis tracks where we hear him, but who knows how many takes it took?) Other than that these remixes don't sound like they'd be of interest to me.


Yeah, he really flubbed it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 5th, 2017, 2:44pm »

OK, listened to the first part of "Winter's Tale." Not quite sure what they were telling Chris to do differently. Oddly, I wasn't able to recognize anyone's voice from the chatter; I assume the band members themselves aren't doing the talking?
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« Reply #10 on: May 5th, 2017, 3:09pm »

I thought I might have heard Tony at one point. I think it is probably Jonathan King doing most of the talking.

They are telling him that the drum riff that segs between the opening and the main part of the song sounded uneven, and needed to have a stronger sound and be all one volume.
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« Reply #11 on: May 7th, 2017, 03:35am »

on May 5th, 2017, 07:19am, CyanideWand wrote:
The difference in clarity with some of these remixes is like night and day. I just wish it had been released as FLAC or CD.


You can get it in FLAC from Qobuz for 7.99.

http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/50-years-ago-genesis/5054526794429
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« Reply #12 on: May 7th, 2017, 09:38am »

It's not available for my country.
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« Reply #13 on: May 7th, 2017, 10:59am »

I was able to find the FLAC on another site.
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« Reply #14 on: May 7th, 2017, 3:34pm »

The original multitrack tapes have obviously been found, in fact for this release it has been possible to separate the vocals from the rest (with a little bit of guitar/piano intrusion underneath, that's why the volume of the vocal only takes is faded in/out on each sentence PG sings).
All the songs are much better sounding now, just listen to One Eyed Hound which finally has become fairly listenable!
Many songs have longer ending (In Limbo, which actually ends cold, Am I Very Wrong, The Serpent, Window, Where The Sour Turns To Sweet), and then a few ones have supposedly received a new mix.
The ones labelled as 'new stereo mix' are the ones mixed anew, while among the ones marked as 'new mix' there are some that i believe have the original 1969 mono mix without strings (In The Beginning, Fireside Song, Where The Sour Turns To Sweet) and others that have been possibly mixed anew again in mono excluding the strings track from the multitrack tapes (A Place To Call My Own and The Silent Sun).
Standout versions for me are Fireside Song, which is really beautiful stripped down this way, The Silent Sun, which is beautiful as well finally without strings and the new (really?) mixes of A Place To Call My Own, One Day, One Eyed Hound and In Hiding.

The vocal only tracks are useless in my opinion, and they are there only to demonstrate the multitracks have been found for real.

Anyway, all tracks sound really better now, and i hope someday some other stuff from the Decca (Jonjo Music Ltd) vault will be unleashed.
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