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« Reply #30 on: Dec 4th, 2014, 06:16am »

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« Reply #31 on: Dec 5th, 2014, 05:12am »

An award set up by a magazine to bestow on its favourite artists sounds more like an award just for being liked by Rolling Stone than any kind of objective measure. Plus the contenders (winners and losers both) having got so far in their careers are pretty much by definition going to be so well known and well regarded already that it isnít going to make much difference to them. So it just doesnít seem that big a deal to me, especially looking at it from my vantage point across the pond. As Douglas Adams said: ďDoes it really matter? And if it matters, does it matter that it matters?Ē
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« Reply #32 on: Dec 5th, 2014, 12:16pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2014, 10:57am, HENRY wrote:
Not odd at all if you're familiar with Rolling Stone and the prevailing American music culture of the late 60's and 70's.

Simply put, prog/symphonic/art rock, or whatever you want to call it, just didn't have as high a profile in American music culture as more blues based and mainstream pop/rock music. Prog was a more European thing, and most prog bands didn't achieve much more than cult status over here. Plus, there was a certain distain for anything prog in the American music media. Arguably the two biggest and most influential magazines of the time, Rolling Stone and Creem, rarely featured prog related bands or music, although Circus magazine did have the occasional article whenever certain bands released new albums or toured.

There was a story circulating a few years ago regarding the selection process for the RRHOF (not sure if it is actually true). The Moody Blues were apparently being considered for nomination, but Jann Wenner, RS co-founder & publisher, laughed off the suggestion. Seems he personally had no interest in the band and didn't view them as worthy of recognition.

The strange thing is, The Moody Blues did have enough of a following in North America to allow them to do reasonably well from a commercial standpoint, having a couple of No. 1 albums plus the fairly popular Days Of Future Past. Despite that, their representation in the media at the time was relatively low.

I do agree that they deserve the recognition, along with bands like King Crimson, Yes, and ELP, but it might take a little while for the powers that be to come around to that realization.


To be honest, although I know of the magazines existence, and see it in newsagents from time to time, I can't say I am familiar with it. It always seemed like a posers mag, looks good on the coffee table when visitors call. From what you say, seems I was right. The biggies here back in the day were New Musical Express, Sounds, and Melody Maker.

I doubt the Moodies will lose any sleep over it. wink
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« Reply #33 on: Dec 8th, 2014, 4:06pm »

on Dec 5th, 2014, 12:16pm, foxfeeder wrote:
To be honest, although I know of the magazines existence, and see it in newsagents from time to time, I can't say I am familiar with it. It always seemed like a posers mag, looks good on the coffee table when visitors call. From what you say, seems I was right.

No, you're wrong.

If you are referring to the Rolling Stone of recent years, it is nothing like the magazine was back in the 70's and early 80's. Not only was it a very good music journal, it was also a source of many articles dealing with contemporary issues. But it's main focus was mainstream music culture of the time and developing music trends which reflected the interests of American music audiences.

When it started the R&RHOF, it was probably the most well established music magazine in America. Then, considering how the culture over here is fascinated with the concept of "Halls Of Fame", it seemed to be a natural fit for RS to establish and promote a formal shrine for rock music. The first half a dozen or so years of inductees were the proverbial who's who of rock & roll history. But since then, as less of the old guard remained to be inducted, and later artists started to become eligible, it started to become more a contest of personal music interests and less an acknowledgement of established careers. Plus there was the whole issue of maintaining the HoF's relevance to a younger music culture. And it didn't help as RS started becoming a more corporate entity which developed the magazine into a broader entertainment journal.


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« Reply #34 on: Dec 8th, 2014, 4:30pm »

on Dec 8th, 2014, 4:06pm, HENRY wrote:
No, you're wrong.

If you are referring to the Rolling Stone of recent years, it is nothing like the magazine was back in the 70's and early 80's. Not only was it a very good music journal, it was also a source of many articles dealing with contemporary issues. But it's main focus was mainstream music culture of the time and developing music trends which reflected the interests of American music audiences.

When it started the R&RHOF, it was probably the most well established music magazine in America. Then, considering how the culture over here is fascinated with the concept of "Halls Of Fame", it seemed to be a natural fit for RS to establish and promote a formal shrine for rock music. The first half a dozen or so years of inductees were the proverbial who's who of rock & roll history. But since then, as less of the old guard remained to be inducted, and later artists started to become eligible, it started to become more a contest of personal music interests and less an acknowledgement of established careers. Plus there was the whole issue of maintaining the HoF's relevance to a younger music culture. And it didn't help as RS started becoming a more corporate entity which developed the magazine into a broader entertainment journal.




Well said.

I loved Rolling Stone in the 1970s, but for the past 30 years or so it seems fit to line the bottom of a bird cage.

I subscribe to Progressive Magazine now. It's a quarterly chock full of great info on bands/artists, CD/DVD reviews, festival info and reviews, etc.

http://progressionmagazine.com/

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« Reply #35 on: Dec 8th, 2014, 5:15pm »

on Dec 8th, 2014, 4:06pm, HENRY wrote:
When it started the R&RHOF, it was probably the most well established music magazine in America. Then, considering how the culture over here is fascinated with the concept of "Halls Of Fame", it seemed to be a natural fit for RS to establish and promote a formal shrine for rock music. The first half a dozen or so years of inductees were the proverbial who's who of rock & roll history. But since then, as less of the old guard remained to be inducted, and later artists started to become eligible, it started to become more a contest of personal music interests and less an acknowledgement of established careers. Plus there was the whole issue of maintaining the HoF's relevance to a younger music culture. And it didn't help as RS started becoming a more corporate entity which developed the magazine into a broader entertainment journal.



So basically the RRHOF has weakened itself by 2 of its own rules: by having to admit a set number of inductees every year instead of a varying number each year promoted solely on merit, itís diluting the strength of its entrants. Meanwhile it canít be relevant to youth music culture due to its 25 year rule.

Itís ironic that given this self-imposed restriction the RRHOF could perhaps appeal more to a swathe of young rap & hip hop fans who consider them irrelevant old fogeys by admitting someone whoís considered really uncool by an older generation of rock fans.....
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« Reply #36 on: Dec 9th, 2014, 11:18am »

on Dec 8th, 2014, 4:06pm, HENRY wrote:
No, you're wrong.

If you are referring to the Rolling Stone of recent years, it is nothing like the magazine was back in the 70's and early 80's. Not only was it a very good music journal, it was also a source of many articles dealing with contemporary issues. But it's main focus was mainstream music culture of the time and developing music trends which reflected the interests of American music audiences.

When it started the R&RHOF, it was probably the most well established music magazine in America. Then, considering how the culture over here is fascinated with the concept of "Halls Of Fame", it seemed to be a natural fit for RS to establish and promote a formal shrine for rock music. The first half a dozen or so years of inductees were the proverbial who's who of rock & roll history. But since then, as less of the old guard remained to be inducted, and later artists started to become eligible, it started to become more a contest of personal music interests and less an acknowledgement of established careers. Plus there was the whole issue of maintaining the HoF's relevance to a younger music culture. And it didn't help as RS started becoming a more corporate entity which developed the magazine into a broader entertainment journal.




I might have known I would be! rolleyes

And I was referring to the mid 80's on, before that, I didn't know much about it. It was probably some attention seeking headline that caused a stir in other press that drew my attention to it. So the headline worked I guess!
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on Dec 8th, 2014, 5:15pm, boredatwork wrote:
So basically the RRHOF has weakened itself by 2 of its own rules: by having to admit a set number of inductees every year instead of a varying number each year promoted solely on merit, itís diluting the strength of its entrants. Meanwhile it canít be relevant to youth music culture due to its 25 year rule.

Itís ironic that given this self-imposed restriction the RRHOF could perhaps appeal more to a swathe of young rap & hip hop fans who consider them irrelevant old fogeys by admitting someone whoís considered really uncool by an older generation of rock fans.....
Phil Collins! grin


The simple solution would be to allow some public nominations, now the internet makes that possible. But that would remove the onanistic objectives of the editors, I suppose! wink
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« Reply #38 on: Dec 10th, 2014, 4:16pm »

Rolling Stone was a great magazine at least into the 80s. They have had many fantastic music writers. I also agree that they did some really strong feature pieces on issues in contemporary culture. I stopped my subscription as they crept closer to a celebrity headlines rag and had less and less serious pieces about music and culture.
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« Reply #39 on: Dec 10th, 2014, 7:46pm »

It's a good question what the actual purpose of these print magazines is today. If I get this right up into the 70's the journalists from Rolling Stone, Melody Maker, New Musical Express etc. saw themselves and were seen as a kind of respected experts in the music business - they were the ones who knew about stuff and told about it and built opinions. Today this is completely obsolete in the days of the internet. Or not?
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on Dec 10th, 2014, 7:46pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
It's a good question what the actual purpose of these print magazines is today. If I get this right up into the 70's the journalists from Rolling Stone, Melody Maker, New Musical Express etc. saw themselves and were seen as a kind of respected experts in the music business - they were the ones who knew about stuff and told about it and built opinions. Today this is completely obsolete in the days of the internet. Or not?


Yes, even the radio DJs up thru the 1970s were considered music buffs. I remember many of them introducing the groups at concerts. I would learn about bands by listening to the radio. There was a reverence for music back then.

I remember one DJ, Joe Benson, who had a show every Sunday night called 'The Seventh Day.' He would play 7 albums in their entirety without any interruption. It became a thing here in SoCal to record them on cassette. In between sides of vinyl, Joe would give insight into the band's origin, its members and where they come from, what other bands they were in, etc.

The Rolling Stone was an extension of that experience. I looked forward to getting each edition in the mail. So many great articles, not just on music and bands, but also on current events that would pique my interest.

Today's RS is a watered-down version of that great magazine that, in my opinion, isn't worthy of it's past reputation. It's not even credible any more, probably due to the young blood coming in and doing what they feel will sell.

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on Dec 11th, 2014, 09:53am, CountingOutTime wrote:
Yes, even the radio DJs up thru the 1970s were considered music buffs. I remember many of them introducing the groups at concerts. I would learn about bands by listening to the radio. There was a reverence for music back then.

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I remember when late night radio was educational in that way.
Growing up in Toronto, I always caught the "Rock Report" on one of our FM stations at 6 p.m.
Then at 11 p.m. or midnight, they would play a full album, usually a new release, and they'd break it up with the information about the band you were listening to, and with the DJ talking about the new album, how it differed from previous releases. (I remember that was my introduction to Gentle Giant).
As a teen, eager to make new musical discoveries, this was great.
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