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« Reply #15 on: Mar 31st, 2014, 3:28pm »

A bad song needs to meet one very simple criterion……I don't like it.

I can't always put my finger on why. But very often a song loved by many will be severely hated by me.

And my guess is I'm not on my own wink
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 31st, 2014, 4:15pm »

on Mar 31st, 2014, 3:28pm, unclealbert wrote:
A bad song needs to meet one very simple criterion……I don't like it.

I can't always put my finger on why. But very often a song loved by many will be severely hated by me.

And my guess is I'm not on my own wink


To me there's a difference whether a song is good or bad and if I or anybody else don't like it. There are songs that I don't like even though they are good. Not sure if there's a bad song that I like but there might well be some.
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 1st, 2014, 06:46am »

Poor vocals, I'm afraid if I don't like the singer, I can't get past that (think Jason Lytle - Grandaddy!).

Excessive auto-tune, just sounds harsh and horrible (if you need that much you shouldn't call yourself a singer!).

Blandness - songs that don't go anywhere.

Songs that aren't really songs more production tricks (think Black Eyed peas/Will-I-Am kinda thing).
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« Reply #18 on: Apr 1st, 2014, 07:13am »

on Mar 31st, 2014, 4:15pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
Not sure if there's a bad song that I like but there might well be some.

I think something like that would be called a "guilty pleasure."

My favorite example of "bad songs I like" would be some of the early Genesis demos. They may often be awkward and lame but I treasure them due to their history.

on Apr 1st, 2014, 06:46am, The Cosmic Lawnmower wrote:
Excessive auto-tune, just sounds harsh and horrible (if you need that much you shouldn't call yourself a singer!).

Tell that to Steve & Chris (Squackett)!
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« Reply #19 on: Apr 1st, 2014, 08:08am »

on Mar 31st, 2014, 3:28pm, unclealbert wrote:
A bad song needs to meet one very simple criterion……I don't like it.

I can't always put my finger on why. But very often a song loved by many will be severely hated by me.

And my guess is I'm not on my own wink


Pretty much sums up what I was going to write.

One of the things I love about music is that it is totally subjective. I love a song you may hate (Whodunnit for example, and I honestly do love that song) and you may love a song I hate (Silver Rainbow for example)

Who is right?

Who can say.....My taste is not "better" than your anymore than yours is "better" than mine...It's just the way we hear things.

I agree with most of the things written about bad songs above (especally the electronic drums) so I guess we all pretty much agree here.... rolleyes

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« Reply #20 on: Apr 1st, 2014, 11:11am »

Indeed, what is a bad song? A matter of personal taste generally, I only like a couple of Elvis tracks, (Suspicious Minds and In the Ghetto, since you ask). I can take or leave the Beatles. Can Bob Dylan sing? One man's meat is another mans Poisson.

But for me, a bad song is an exploitative piece of rubbish, which most reasonable minded people will agree on. We've mentioned Jive Bunny, the Birdy song, and others spring to mind like Shaddupa you face!

Back in the 80's, when I was on hospital radio, there was another presenter there, a guy from Chicago, let's call him Frank (For that was his name!). He was like a crap record detector. As soon as some rubbish like Ruff Mix by Wonder Dog appeared, we used to count the days till he played it!

And there, dear folks, is a record that should strike fear in you all. For, as I discovered only recently, it was Simon Cowell's big break! Every exploitative thing he has done has ridden on the back of that record. (It wasn't even original, for Gawd's sake, a record with sampled dog barks playing along? THe Korgis (Stackridge members!) had done it much better on Rover's Return about 3 years earlier.)

If they ever invent a time machine that will go back in time (Which sadly, it won't. It can only go forward, and back to the time it's first activated) I have 3 tasks:

1/ Stop Ruff Mix ever being released by any means!
2/ Save Anne Frank
£/ Give Robert Mugabe's dad a big box of condoms. (Are thay called a "family pack"? That would be ironic)
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« Reply #21 on: Apr 1st, 2014, 6:19pm »

on Mar 31st, 2014, 12:02pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
2. Screamed lyrics
4. Death growls

Strongly agreed. Death growls can be okay as long as they don't dominate the song and are melodic to some extent; otherwise, they sound stupid and unnecessary. Lyrics that are constantly screamed for the entire song render any track impossible for me to withstand, so screaming is much worse.

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6. The F-word (Really?You couldn't come up with something more intelligent to say?)

Though I agree that excessive swearing in a song is something I certainly disapprove of, I do not disagree with the occasional use of the F-word. Sometimes, it just really works, giving a song a sudden shot of energy:

Home bred, I've got blood lust,
Feeding you bread crust, I leave no scar.
You say I'm old hat? A FUCKING DIRTY RAT?!
Call me a cliché? How right you are!


(From Kasabian's Days Are Forgotten - a great track!)
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« Reply #22 on: Apr 1st, 2014, 6:32pm »

Too many things to name, but here's my top three:

1. Vocals that are screamed, harshly rapped, overly ranty/whiny, bland or off-key.
2. Instrumentation that is over-the-top to ridiculous extremes, overly fast/noisy and completely unmelodic (which means most death metal and any similar genres).
3. When the subject matter is overly sadistic, disturbing and/or crude.
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« Reply #23 on: Apr 2nd, 2014, 03:44am »

on Apr 1st, 2014, 6:32pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
2. Instrumentation that is over-the-top to ridiculous extremes...

Some would say that prog rock can be guilty of this sometimes. wink
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« Reply #24 on: Apr 2nd, 2014, 04:38am »

on Apr 2nd, 2014, 03:44am, Down And Out wrote:
Some would say that prog rock can be guilty of this sometimes. wink

I'd rather listen to any prog rock song, regardless of how silly it sounds, over an extreme death metal song with earache-inducing vocals and drums that sound like a jackhammer.
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« Reply #25 on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 02:18am »

I like a good roar from the Likes of Max Cavalera in Sepultura and Soulfly. SLipknot and Fear Factory are another of my fav bands. Brings the anger out, but also I can relax to their music. I also do not mind swearing. One of my favourite bands is Limp Bizkit and there is pllenty on that but it sounds good and their music style is very different from others.

Prog rock can be bad for me sometimes. As much as I like YES and GENTLE GIANT, some of their music goes no where (too long) and is way to complicated for its own good.

A bad song for me normally ends up being the songs being overplayed on BBC Radio 2. All this X-Factor rubbish constantly gets played over and over and really winds me up.
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« Reply #26 on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 07:25am »

I bet many people equate overplayed with bad.
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« Reply #27 on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 12:03pm »

I cannot live with distorted vocals and fast disco beats combined with quirky synth sounds. I hate uninspired songs, based on two chords which make your feet stomp like you were in a beer tend after the tenth pint.

In general I am not fond of what is played in the radio these days. When I put the radio on, I generally switch to an oldie channel, because the current music makes my nerves wrinkle.
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on Apr 3rd, 2014, 12:03pm, slowdancer wrote:
In general I am not fond of what is played in the radio these days. When I put the radio on, I generally switch to an oldie channel, because the current music makes my nerves wrinkle.

The radio station KISS is always played at the gym I exercise at every Sunday, and that's why I always bring my trusty iPod Nano. The music on KISS is always absolutely dreadful, as the station features nothing but painfully repetitive and obnoxious hip-hop music, where virtually none of the artists or songs are notable.
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« Reply #29 on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 1:37pm »

on Apr 3rd, 2014, 12:47pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
The radio station KISS is always played at the gym I exercise at every Sunday, and that's why I always bring my trusty iPod Nano. The music on KISS is always absolutely dreadful, as the station features nothing but painfully repetitive and obnoxious hip-hop music, where virtually none of the artists or songs are notable.


I completely see what you mean. I am visiting a gym, too, on a regular basis and the music on there is as you describe.
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