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« Reply #10 on: Nov 28th, 2014, 3:44pm »

Ah well, the annual handwringing over the R&RHOF inductees is in full swing I see, so I suppose it's time for me to offer up my yearly rant. Alrighty then...

The R&RHOF is essentially a product and licence of Rolling Stone magazine. There is no grand and sacred doctrine which guides the selection process beyond a few objective stipulations. The approach for choosing candidates revolves largely around the American music scene in history, influence, and popularity. It's not about what or who you think is deserving of merit. Anyone who was around in the 70's & 80's and followed RS to any extent shouldn't be surprised by the typical nominees that come up for possible induction. It's largely about American music culture, so that Italian prog band from the 70's you think is beyond brilliant doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hell of being recognized.

As far as this year's nominees go, it's really not too bad of a group. My personal top picks would be The Marvelettes, The Spinners, Lou Reed, and The Smiths, although I'm thinking that last one might not make it this time around. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sting, Stevie Ray and War getting in.

I think a lot of people make too much of this. Sure, it's nice to see one's favorite band or performer get recognized in this way, but it's not really a big deal.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 28th, 2014, 5:20pm »

on Nov 28th, 2014, 3:44pm, HENRY wrote:
The R&RHOF is essentially a product and licence of Rolling Stone magazine. There is no grand and sacred doctrine which guides the selection process beyond a few objective stipulations. The approach for choosing candidates revolves largely around the American music scene in history, influence, and popularity. It's not about what or who you think is deserving of merit. Anyone who was around in the 70's & 80's and followed RS to any extent shouldn't be surprised by the typical nominees that come up for possible induction. It's largely about American music culture, so that Italian prog band from the 70's you think is beyond brilliant doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hell of being recognized.....


..... and as for that vastly influential, important & pioneering but - fatally for their chances in this context - German synth band, well they certainly havenít. Iím amazed they even got nominated.

I only became aware of the RRHOF when I read about Genesis being admitted a couple of years back. They (the band) & PG individually this year did seem to set great store by getting in, perhaps because any non-Americans have to be exceptionally meritorious to make it?

I canít recall ever hearing of Stevie Ray Vaughan or Paul Butterfield. Joan Jett, yes. And of course Lou Reed, who must be a dead cert to get in now (no pun intended!).

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« Reply #12 on: Nov 28th, 2014, 5:40pm »

I'm surprised you never heard of Stevie Ray Vaughan before? He is one of the very few blues guitarists whose name is well-known outside of blues circles. I knew him by name because I "heard of him" long before I ever knew any of his songs, that I got covered when I purchased the From Dusk Till Dawn soundtrack.

We had the discussion about the relevance of the RRHOF before, naturally everybody whose favourite artists are not inducted will claim he doesn't give a damn about that institution. grin Anyways, I wonder how this institution turned into something people hang so much emotions on. Was it the music press that made this museum such a myth (the olymp of rock and pop music)?
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 28th, 2014, 7:06pm »

Not much love for Chic here it appears - great funk band and very influential I think.
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 28th, 2014, 9:55pm »

on Nov 28th, 2014, 5:20pm, boredatwork wrote:
..... and as for that vastly influential, important & pioneering but - fatally for their chances in this context - German synth band, well they certainly havenít. Iím amazed they even got nominated.

You would be incorrect with that assumption.

Kraftwerk have had a prominent level of recognition and success in North America, and their role in pioneering the subsequent synth era has been countlessly referred to for many years. I'd be surprised if they didn't get inducted.

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I only became aware of the RRHOF when I read about Genesis being admitted a couple of years back. They (the band) & PG individually this year did seem to set great store by getting in, perhaps because any non-Americans have to be exceptionally meritorious to make it?

Not really. Historically, British bands have always looked to succeed in America, and many have managed to do so. Both Genesis & PG achieved that, and although not a big surprise, it would only seem normal to be appreciative of the recognition. But being foreign isn't in itself a deterrent to recognition, it's just a little easier for artists that are already here.

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I canít recall ever hearing of Stevie Ray Vaughan...

I find that surprising, but if you have little interest in blues then it's more likely that you wouldn't have paid much attention to anyone in that genre. Vaughan was quite highly regarded in his day, and I think that his induction is a given.
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 28th, 2014, 10:11pm »

on Nov 28th, 2014, 7:06pm, Dr. John wrote:
Not much love for Chic here it appears - great funk band and very influential I think.

Oh yeah, they certainly had an impact in their heyday, but I wonder if they have enough of a legacy for recognition into the HOF.
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 29th, 2014, 06:11am »

I just find it astounding that none of Yes, Deep Purple or Iron Maiden have been considered. All three of them are hugely influential in their respective genres. Yes was a massive progressive rock pioneer. Deep Purple are considered one of the greatest hard rock bands of all time, and the opening riff in Smoke On The Water is probably the most well-known riff in rock music history. And Iron Maiden are easily heavy metal's most successful group, leading the NWOBHM movement and having played over 2000 live shows. All three of them should have been inducted into the Hall Of Fame since the first years they were eligible, in my opinion.
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« Reply #17 on: Nov 29th, 2014, 06:18am »

on Nov 28th, 2014, 9:55pm, HENRY wrote:
Kraftwerk have had a prominent level of recognition and success in North America, and their role in pioneering the subsequent synth era has been countlessly referred to for many years. I'd be surprised if they didn't get inducted.

Let's hope you're right. They certainly deserve it.
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« Reply #18 on: Nov 29th, 2014, 06:23am »

on Nov 28th, 2014, 10:11pm, HENRY wrote:
Oh yeah, they certainly had an impact in their heyday, but I wonder if they have enough of a legacy for recognition into the HOF.

They donít. Known only for ďLe FreakĒ, here at least. If the RRHOF wants more deserving disco acts, the Bee Gees & the Jacksons are in already.

If Nile Rodgers individually was nominated heíd probably fare much better than Chic, given his work with other artists. Not keen on him myself, but he was certainly influential, if only in making everyone from Bowie to Duran Duran sound exactly like Nile Rodgers - & that's no mean feat, though whether it's commendable is another matter rolleyes
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« Reply #19 on: Nov 29th, 2014, 06:34am »

on Nov 29th, 2014, 06:11am, NoSonOfVine wrote:
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And Iron Maiden are easily heavy metal's most successful group...


More successful than Black Sabbath?
Not by a long shot.
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« Reply #20 on: Nov 29th, 2014, 11:42am »

on Nov 28th, 2014, 5:40pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
I'm surprised you never heard of Stevie Ray Vaughan before? He is one of the very few blues guitarists whose name is well-known outside of blues circles. I knew him by name because I "heard of him" long before I ever knew any of his songs, that I got covered when I purchased the From Dusk Till Dawn soundtrack.

We had the discussion about the relevance of the RRHOF before, naturally everybody whose favourite artists are not inducted will claim he doesn't give a damn about that institution. grin Anyways, I wonder how this institution turned into something people hang so much emotions on. Was it the music press that made this museum such a myth (the olymp of rock and pop music)?


Although I've heard of SRV, his profile in the UK is very low. Rightly or wrongly!
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 29th, 2014, 11:44am »

on Nov 28th, 2014, 3:44pm, HENRY wrote:
Ah well, the annual handwringing over the R&RHOF inductees is in full swing I see, so I suppose it's time for me to offer up my yearly rant. Alrighty then...

The R&RHOF is essentially a product and licence of Rolling Stone magazine. There is no grand and sacred doctrine which guides the selection process beyond a few objective stipulations. The approach for choosing candidates revolves largely around the American music scene in history, influence, and popularity. It's not about what or who you think is deserving of merit. Anyone who was around in the 70's & 80's and followed RS to any extent shouldn't be surprised by the typical nominees that come up for possible induction. It's largely about American music culture, so that Italian prog band from the 70's you think is beyond brilliant doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hell of being recognized.

As far as this year's nominees go, it's really not too bad of a group. My personal top picks would be The Marvelettes, The Spinners, Lou Reed, and The Smiths, although I'm thinking that last one might not make it this time around. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sting, Stevie Ray and War getting in.

I think a lot of people make too much of this. Sure, it's nice to see one's favorite band or performer get recognized in this way, but it's not really a big deal.


All valid points, I would agree, but one glaring omission given their impact on American Music Culture remains: The Moody Blues. Doesn't bother me, but it sure seems odd.
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 2nd, 2014, 05:28am »

Hi there


The Paul Butterfield Blues Band were a major influence on Mr Hackett and a damn fine band of their time. At least as deserving as some of the sh!t that gets into the HoF these days.



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« Reply #23 on: Dec 2nd, 2014, 06:37am »

on Nov 28th, 2014, 7:06pm, Dr. John wrote:
Not much love for Chic here it appears - great funk band and very influential I think.


Perhaps not surprising rolleyes, however I agree with you Dr John, they had a very distinct and influential sound and Bernard Edwards was a monster bass player.
Just for the record they were known for a lot more than just 'Le Freak' in the UK
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« Reply #24 on: Dec 2nd, 2014, 07:50am »

on Dec 2nd, 2014, 06:37am, The Cosmic Lawnmower wrote:
Perhaps not surprising rolleyes, however I agree with you Dr John, they had a very distinct and influential sound and Bernard Edwards was a monster bass player.
Just for the record they were known for a lot more than just 'Le Freak' in the UK

Sorry, that was me being inaccurate. I should have said Chic were known for producing one memorable song (ďLe FreakĒ) plus a load of others that all sounded exactly the same, under their own name & that of other acts like Sister Sledge.
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