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xx The Definitive (?) ARP Pro Soloist Preset thread
« Thread started on: Apr 14th, 2017, 4:43pm »

Hi all,

This is my first post here so forgive the tongue-in-cheek "definitiveness"!

I have recently acquired an Arp Pro Soloist, and like every good boy should I have almost immediately (I say almost, I had to get it fixed first) set about working out what presets Tony played and where.

The synth has an instant "Lamb Lies Down" feel about it - lots of the presets immediately feel like they've just stepped out of that era, especially the Steel Guitar sound from Colony of Slippermen, the Fuzz Guitar 1 from In The Cage, and the Harpsichord with a bit of Pitch on the Aftertouch for those weird sounds before Arrival etc.

What's a bit more elusive is the feel of the infamous Cinema Show solo - Telstar is there present and correct for the 'watery' cascading runs, but the rest, which I believe is mostly the Trumpet preset, and then Violin for the main melody bit, don't really sound quite the same.

This will be because Tony put the ARP through a leslie speaker along with the delay and reverb to make that beautiful almost organic sounding mellow sound - a sound I've always loved much more than the brash and naked sounds on the Seconds Out version (which incidentally you can tell definitely are the Trumpet and Violin presets).

But the original recording still sounds so different that I wonder was that main melody played on the Flute preset rather than the Violin? And maybe the French Horn instead of the Trumpet towards the end? Does anyone care? Why do I care?? ;-)

Anyway, does anyone have any "definitive" ideas for this most definitive of threads? Does Nick Davis ever frequent these parts? Would he know, having remixed Selling England ten years ago?

In case there is anyone out there as nerdy as me, and who also owns a Pro Soloist (?) here's one for you - so I always assumed, and indeed I think I have seen it written elsewhere, that Tony used the Song Whistle preset for the end of Entangled, but playing around here I've realised that as far as I can tell it's actually the French Horn sound with the Octave switch Up and fast Vibrato on the Aftertouch.

So now you know! smiley
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xx Re: The Definitive (?) ARP Pro Soloist Preset thre
« Reply #1 on: Apr 24th, 2017, 3:17pm »

Well, nothing definitive from me.

I just got my Arp Pro/DGX working after many years since i bought it non functioning. (Classic synths are close to non existent here in Brazil)

And I got to playing with it for Back in NYC and Hairless Heart. I'm using the Trombone for Back in NYC and changing to Pulsar for Hairless Heart, this would be just the change from upper to lower voice in a Arp ProSoloist, so it makes sense to me.
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xx Re: The Definitive (?) ARP Pro Soloist Preset thre
« Reply #2 on: Apr 25th, 2017, 01:48am »

Hi,

Back In NYC is Steel Guitar, and Hairless Heart is Fuzz guitar 1. Congrats on the Pro DGX!

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xx Re: The Definitive (?) ARP Pro Soloist Preset thre
« Reply #3 on: Apr 27th, 2017, 4:16pm »

In an attempt to up the 'definitive' factor, here's all the Pro Soloist Settings for the Selling England album:

1) Dancing With The Moonlit Knight

- (Tony's first synth solo!) - Country Guitar with the Octave switch up, and Wow on the Touch Sensor, with Brilliance all the way up full

- then when the song is settling just before the pastoral end bit, Clarinet (Also used in "Weeping Wall" off David Bowie's Low album, fact fans)

2) I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)

- choruses use Fuzz Guitar 1 (Again, also used in "Weeping Wall" off David Bowie's Low album, as well as many others...Tangerine Dream...Wings playing Jet live etc. etc. and also probably Tony's most used Pro Soloist preset)

3) Firth Of Fifth

- synth solo uses Trumpet

5) The Battle Of Epping Forest

- "Here come the cavalry" solo etc. - Trumpet

- "Must be a draw" bit - two Steel Guitar lines with Portamento

6) After The Ordeal

- last section, not sure about this one but I think it's Flute, then with added Portamento at the end

7) The Cinema Show

- The most famous of Tony's Pro Soloist solos, and probably the one that mostly sounds least like a Pro Soloist due to the Leslie cabinet effect etc, I still wonder if these are the presets he used even though it's really obvious they're the ones he used live:

- Trumpet

- Mute Trumpet

- with Banjo under this bit (or is it Bassoon?)

- fast up and down run: Harpsichord, although on Seconds Out he seems to play this bit on Steel Guitar even though this makes it more difficult to quickly flick to the Violin preset coming up next so I don't really understand why he did this, maybe it was just easier to play and get it right as the Steel Guitar sound has more Release. The Harpsichord preset is just one flick of a switch away from the Violin sound so would be way handier for changing live.

- *that* melody: Violin (although it really doesn't sound like it to me!)

- watery cascadey bits: Telstar, adjusting the Brilliance slider then adding Portamento

- Trumpet (although this really sounds different with the Leslie etc)

- Fuzz Guitar 1 under the Trumpet arpeggios

Right, enough nerdiness for one night
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xx Re: The Definitive (?) ARP Pro Soloist Preset thre
« Reply #4 on: May 24th, 2017, 5:30pm »

Hello,

I've got one of Joachim Verghese's Pro-Soloist Rack units, the analogue guts of the original in a midi controllable box.

Following G2's Stables gigs at the weekend my keys are still in their cases (and may be for a while) so I can't check which patches I'm using. From memory, and some notes I've got written down, I can add a few to what you've listed so far:

IKWIL
On Seconds Out he played Comic Wow in the intro (with Wow and Growl on aftertouch and brilliance with slider)
1st half of solo - Trumpet (with Wow on aftertouch)
2nd half of solo - Fuzz Guitar 1

Firth of Fifth
Live he played ARP Piano for the outro

Epping Forest
Steel Drum ("...in with a left hook is the Bethnal Green butcher")

Hairless Heart
When I got the PSR Joachim and I discussed all the Lamb patches, and his comment about this one was as follows:
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Sounds like a complex layer of overdubbed parts. The bright sound is probably a Pro Soloist patch with distortion effect. This could be any of the sustained voices that have vibrato enabled by default, as you can clearly hear the regular modulation. Some of that sound might have been routed through the Leslie speaker for the mellow "wooden" texture that is panned opposite to the bright part.

Whatever it was, I haven't found that one single patch does the job, so I've continued to use the sound I programmed myself on a JV-1080 before I got the PSR.

Entangled
Again I've continued to use an old patch I programmed for this one. It's not quite right but it works well enough. Joachim's comment was:
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I think the solo is PS French Horn, though the 2600 could have been set up to produce a similar sound.

Trick still has a lot of Pro-Soloist on it, but there are some songs that clearly use the ARP 2600 instead, like Ripples, and a few where it's hard to know, like Mad Man Moon. So, if you're not convinced you know what PS patch it is, it's probably 2600 instead.

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