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xx Behind the Lines Intro chords/notes
« Thread started on: Feb 26th, 2013, 03:33am »

Is there anyone that can give me the chords/notes to the intro of Behind the Lines? What I found online is just wrong in my opinion.

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« Reply #1 on: Feb 26th, 2013, 07:25am »

There are a lot of chords in that song and the keyboard parts are constantly on the move. It would be next to impossible to write out what is going on. I had to sit down at the keyboard and figure it out bit by bit. I think your best options are trying to find a youtube video or putting in the time to figure it out.
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 26th, 2013, 08:25am »

You are right ;-) Why help!? I took your advice and figured it out. Wasn't that hard after all ;-)

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« Reply #3 on: Feb 26th, 2013, 2:25pm »

I did a quick transcription of the intro. It is indeed a difficult one for a couple of reasons:
1. The studio version differs from the live version;
2. The live versions differ over the years (2007 is not like he did it on 3SL at all);
3. Tony actually screws up most of the time and hits loads of bumnotes which alter the chords (there is a huge screwup at 1:17 on the SACD version of Duke, they probably left it in because the vibe was good);
4. The studio is a layer of multiple parts;
5. Synth and piano play different voicings to make up one total chord, thats much more evident on Duke then on 3SL;
6. Duke album has bigger harmonies and has a much fatter sound. Live version is much "thinner" in its arrangement.

The inversions are a bit wonky, but all the harmonies are actually correct (for Duke that is). There are some notes between ( ). This means that the tone is optional (its sometimes played, sometimes not, doesn't matter much for the harmony).

http://wecantdance.nl/behindthelines.pdf
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 26th, 2013, 2:34pm »

So no wonder I got confused ;-) This is a great help. Thank u very much. Dutch content: 'Wordt zeer gewaardeerd...' Now back to the keys and practice, practice, practice...
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 26th, 2013, 3:15pm »

on Feb 26th, 2013, 2:34pm, Pfive wrote:
So no wonder I got confused ;-) This is a great help. Thank u very much. Dutch content: 'Wordt zeer gewaardeerd...' Now back to the keys and practice, practice, practice...


Good to hear smiley
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 27th, 2013, 3:31pm »

I am sorry but your transcription still doesn't make sense. There are to many notes in the chords. Maybe you have transcribed all of Tony's bum notes ;-) On YouTube they even mention a Csus4add9 chord... I think such strange chords aren't used.

This is what chords I came up with for the first part:
C - Dm7(no A) - C
Dm - C - Dm
F - C - F
C - Dm7(no A) - C

C - Dm7(no A) - C
Dm - C - Dm
F - C - F
F- C- Bes ... G

And than from the top again...

So the first chord is C (CEG)
Second chord is Dm7 (CDF) not playing the A
Third chord is C again (CEG)
This is on Duke

Live he plays another inversion of the same chords:
First chord is C (GCE)
Second chord is Dm7 (FCD) not playing the A
Third chord is C again (GCE)
This is what you see on the live video's. He moves his thumb for the second chord on the CP70
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 27th, 2013, 4:14pm »

Hello,

It's far too long since I last played this (about 12 years!) for me to remember exactly how it goes, or comment on the transcriptions.

I am, however, always on the look out for a good (but hopefully inexpensive!) scoring tool.

Santi, what did you use for your score?

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« Reply #8 on: Feb 27th, 2013, 5:38pm »

on Feb 27th, 2013, 3:31pm, Pfive wrote:
I am sorry but your transcription still doesn't make sense. There are to many notes in the chords. Maybe you have transcribed all of Tony's bum notes ;-)


Like I stated, this is not a transcription of the exact parts which are played. It's a transcription of the harmonies (and there is probably the occasional bum note in there too, though I left the one from 1:17 out as it was too dissonant and I cannot imagine that Tony ever intended to play that chord) that are heard. So what he plays on the various CS80 layers (there are multiple "brassy layers") and the CP70 is sort of "condensed" here.

What he did live was totally different because he had to play those multiple parts with just two hands and 2 instruments (which means 1 hand per instrument). I have seen him playing different piano parts on various videos from BTL (3 sides live, 1980 lyceum). What he does in the 2007 tour differs too (there brass and piano are the same as its just a layer there).

Take for example the Bb in measures 3&4. It's really there on Duke but I don't recall him playing it live.

Regarding too many notes in the chords, Tony uses a lot of min/maj/dom7 chords or even 9 chords*. Thats a trade mark of him (and its where his strength is). Try songs like One for the vine or even a song like Hold on my heart and you'll see what I'm talking about smiley
If he for example uses a Major7 sus4, he probably plays the third, fourth and seventh with his right hand in a wide interval voicing and the root is or in his left hand, or done by the bass.
Or if he uses a minor/major 7 chord, he likes to split it up in two chords over different instruments. An example is in One for the vine (Im referring to the live version from 3 sides live). There is a part where the organ comes in first (its mellotron on W&W). He plays a Dminor triad with his left for the organ (with F on top so top to bottom its F D A). He plays a Bbmaj with his right hand. What he actually plays in total is Bbmaj7, he just voices it different with his hands. The total makes up for Bbmaj7.
The next chord he does there is C which is played with right as a regular triad and with his left with a G in the bass (so top to bottom its E C G). Now if you try this on a piano, then you might start to see what he does there. The left hand actually descends down (Dmin to C) and the right hand actually ascends up (Bb to C). These are all compositional things which are typical his style (and which is something thats unusual for "rock").

So, regarding the transcription, it are the "total" harmonies, not perse the right "chords" or inversions (which is why the voice leading sometimes doesn't seem to make much sense if you play it exactly as written).

*Actually, that Dmin7 chord you are talking about in bars 3/4, It's what my score says too because in "reality" its a Bbmaj9/C. You omit the A, I omit the D. Chord stays the same…

@Piers: I'm using SIbelius now for a couple of years. I used to use Finale but I never liked the output of it. I especially detested the way Finale output its chords and handled some of the tasks I wanted it to do.
For example, this score (its a draft) mixes up percussion and lead line on the same staff. Sibelius does that with ease.
http://wecantdance.nl/awty.pdf

This one uses different "voices" on the same staff (to keep the lead sheet compact) and uses a different notation to dictate where the chord changes in the solo section occur. Took me around half an hour to work it out like that (actually, BTL took me around an hour and half, including the figuring out what was played).
http://wecantdance.nl/sectarian.pdf

FInale can do those things too, but I find it more difficult and not as good looking on paper and screen.
Since Avid bought up Sibelius and released a more "Avid style" version, I'm more content with Sibelius but I can handle both programs very well (friends of mine still use Finale). I have my own "style sheet" in Sibelius which is more or less a tweak on Pat Metheny's Sibelius styles. Very statisfied with it!

The advantage of Finale however is that they have more versions so there is always a version that fits the budget (but, it also lacks features, not sure what you are looking for feature wise).

In case you run a Mac and also need a good DAW (and like loads of plugins and samples which are high quality), then I would suggest Apple Logic. If you need basic scoring, then Logic is a good choice (and dirt cheap too nowadays in the mac App store!).
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 28th, 2013, 06:08am »

Thanks for the explanation. I found a midifile with each hand in a seperate track. The two together make sense ;-)

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« Reply #10 on: Jan 10th, 2018, 5:18pm »

For posterity, and in the hope that it may be useful to somebody, I have transcribed the first 16 measures of "Behind The Lines" as heard on Three Sides Live. It can be downloaded here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6mmdnflic54wfl7/Behind%20The%20Lines.pdf?dl=0
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