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« Reply #30 on: Dec 6th, 2017, 2:08pm »

on Dec 6th, 2017, 1:11pm, ImperialSquonk wrote:
“Trespass” never really grew on me. I like Phil’s description of it in “Not Dead Yet” (p. 90-91): “the whole record seems like a blancmange ... You could put your finger in it and it would somehow reseal.”

A bit beside the point imo, whether you like it or less, doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't have several, very recognizable Genesis elements on it. As for Phil, considering this is an album he didn't play on, I think he could have been a bit more gracious or perhaps he could have avoided showing up at the auditions, since he prepared for those listening to Trespass wink
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« Reply #31 on: Dec 6th, 2017, 2:10pm »

on Dec 6th, 2017, 1:44pm, ImperialSquonk wrote:
Funnily enough ‘The Conqueror’ is probably my fave “FGTR” song.

I hear that song has a conspicuous amount of fans.
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« Reply #32 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 03:46am »

on Dec 6th, 2017, 07:36am, ImperialSquonk wrote:
To my ears 'The Musical Box' is the first time that Genesis actually sound like 'Genesis' - if that makes any sense at all.


It makes complete sense to me. I think there are two very seminal moments on the album. One is the closing section of TMB, "She's a lady..." onwards. It was certainly probably the first thing that really hooked me in, and the way it builds, starting off quite pastoral then becoming a little sinister, is in some ways the essence of Genesis. Then of course those big Hammond chords come chiming in, over which Hackett gives us one of his clean, pencil-line guitar pieces. That whole section is like an acorn blooming into a tree.

The other key moment on the album - and I actually believe this is also a key moment in rock music - is the closing section of Fountain. I genuinely think that bit is the start of something new in rock music - again that beautifully economical melodic guitar piece over big dramatic chords and a slow heavy rhythm.

Those two sections are defining Genesis moments for me.
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« Reply #33 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 08:05am »

on Dec 6th, 2017, 2:08pm, Fabrizio wrote:
A bit beside the point imo, whether you like it or less, doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't have several, very recognizable Genesis elements on it. As for Phil, considering this is an album he didn't play on, I think he could have been a bit more gracious or perhaps he could have avoided showing up at the auditions, since he prepared for those listening to Trespass wink


Or he could be honest, and have rehearsed the songs of Fleetwood Mac. undecided
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« Reply #34 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 09:52am »

on Dec 7th, 2017, 08:05am, foxfeeder wrote:
Or he could be honest, and have rehearsed the songs of Fleetwood Mac. undecided

Well, he was looking for a job, so I don't blame him but Genesis were never really his cup of tea musically.
It become clear when he became a solo artist and subsequently started having a say on the band's direction. It applies to Peter too btw, although at the opposite side of the spectrum but they both made some statements throughout the years, I personally don't find very ...''elegant''.
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« Reply #35 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 1:12pm »

Been listening to “Trespass” today. Trying to get inside it. It’s starting to open up a bit. I like ‘Looking For Someone’. I love the effect on Tony’s organ at the start and finish of ‘White Mountain’. It sounds amazingly contemporary to my ears - bringing to mind the likes of William Basinski’s “Disintegration Loops”. I only have “Trespass” on vinyl and the 1994 remaster CD. At the moment I’ve been listening to the album care of Apple Music. It sounds extremely vibrant with real clarity. Can anyone tell me if this is the 2007 remaster?
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« Reply #36 on: Dec 8th, 2017, 02:27am »

on Dec 7th, 2017, 09:52am, Fabrizio wrote:
Well, he was looking for a job, so I don't blame him but Genesis were never really his cup of tea musically.
It become clear when he became a solo artist and subsequently started having a say on the band's direction. It applies to Peter too btw, although at the opposite side of the spectrum but they both made some statements throughout the years, I personally don't find very ...''elegant''.


Nonsense.

Yes, he was looking for a job opportunity as a working musician when he auditioned for the band, but you blatantly ignore that his interests in music were reflected by both the time period and the diversity of his influences. His subsequent contributions to Genesis' sound, largely by way of their
instumental work, and noted by Tony, reflects his broad range of music interests. You are overtly zeroing in on one particular aspect of his influences to downplay his contributions, and in a typical passive-aggressive manner, misrepresent his role as an equal band member.



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