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xx Heard Nursery Cryme for the first time- my inputs
« Thread started on: Dec 4th, 2017, 1:56pm »

Ok folks, finally I've heard NC.

For those who are not familiar I'm going through Genesis discography for the first time in an order from so-called "worst" up to the best and right now i have left: Duke, W&W, Foxtrot, TLLDIB, TOTT, and SEBTP.

So back with nursery cryme!!!!

I was looking forward a lot since I've only heard Trespass and FGTR which doesn't really count with Gabriel plus some of his solo work so I was really surprised to hear what is like a "classic" Genesis album.

Right from the first moment the magic is there:

The musical Box is an absolute masterpiece to begin with. Hackett fills along with Gabriel " play me my song"are just washing my body with chills all over up until the climax at the end of the song.

For absent friends is another classic yet sweet and relaxing and reminds me a bit of the best moments from ATTW3. great song.

Giant Hogweed was a weird one for me at the beginning and it took some time to appreciate. love the instruments in the song and the special voice by Gabriel in this one. the chorus as well as mysterious and bizarre which makes this song very unique. so far WoW.

7 stones is a lot like trespass moments but much better with mysterious feeling throughout the song.

As much as Harold the barrel probably isn't a great song by itself it placed fantastically on the album and help its fluency. an integral part of it.

Harlequin is another masterpiece. it hits you right in the beginning with another very strong chorus and vibe. I'm already gone insane by this part. what an album

The grand finale, Salamcis is very theatretical all in all a great way to end things up but not one of the standouts in my taste.


To summarize my whole feeling, NC is definitely the best Genesis album I've heard so far and i really hope that the rest of the catalog will continue to surprise me.

Ranking so far:

1) NC
2) ATTW3
3)Trespass
4)IT
5) Genesis
6)Abacab
7) WCD
8) FGTR
9) CAS

Albums left in quality order (by the mass anyway):

1) Duke
2) W&W
3) Foxtrot
4) TLLDIB
5) TOTT
6) SEBTP

Will keep you updated but it might take time since i don't wanna end the experience of discovering these albums for the first time so fast.

If you guys have any suggestions for a better order to continue with, as long as it's on the same page as my wish to save the best for last you are more then welcome to convince me!!
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 4th, 2017, 10:47pm »

You're in for a wild ride... everything you have left all are masterpieces. Honestly I would suggest listening to the rest in chronological order, just so you can hear the progression. Also heads up, The Lamb is quite a large pill to swallow at first. Give it some time to really sink in and you'll understand it's brilliance. At least from my experience. Have fun!
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 12:43am »

on Dec 4th, 2017, 10:47pm, BlinkeredArcade wrote:
Honestly I would suggest listening to the rest in chronological order


Yup.

General opinions are just that, opinions, and aren't necessarily definitive by any means. Everyone is going to have their own personal preferences, for whatever reasons, so I believe that listening to the rest of the albums in chronological order would simply be interesting because it would give you a sense of the band's progression, allowing you to make your own assessment of each album with minimal expectation. Plus, by ending with Duke it kind of brings you round to full circle.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 05:02am »

I envy you so much. I've been a fan of Genesis for over a decade now and I would love nothing more than to hear their albums for the first time again after hearing their songs dozens of times each. With the ones you have left to hear, you are in for so much of a treat that I can barely describe how good they are.

Nursery Cryme is just a classic record. Surprised you weren't big on TFOS as that one, to me, is the most of the unique songs by any band. It's unique even for Genesis. That intro alone chills me to the bone.

TMB is a true solid-diamond masterpiece as you said. It's ten minutes of glorious classic prog rock. Heavy, dark, sinister and complex. My favourite of Genesis.

The only problem with NC is its length. Pretty sure they could have squeezed another 7-minuter in there. Twilight Alehouse for example, which at the time hadn't been recorded, but had been written and performed. Sure that song is rather disappointing when compared to NC's three epics (all of which are huge classics) but it's still good enough to add some extra meat to an already stellar package.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 06:42am »

on Dec 4th, 2017, 10:47pm, BlinkeredArcade wrote:
You're in for a wild ride... everything you have left all are masterpieces. Honestly I would suggest listening to the rest in chronological order, just so you can hear the progression. Also heads up, The Lamb is quite a large pill to swallow at first. Give it some time to really sink in and you'll understand it's brilliance. At least from my experience. Have fun!


What he said! Couldn't have said it better!
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 08:10am »

on Dec 5th, 2017, 06:42am, HomeByTheSea wrote:
What he said! Couldn't have said it better!

I agree as well apart from one thing, the term "masterpiece" as I wouldn't call Duke in particular a masterpiece since it's held back somewhat by one particularly bad song (you know the one... to this day I still think it sucks). That said, it's a highly enjoyable album regardless and does at excellent job at being the connecting point between the two Genesis eras.

The rest I would definitely call masterpieces, and that includes Foxtrot. Sure, it suffers slightly from the middling Time Table and the occasionally uneven Get 'Em Out By Friday, but the sheer legendary nature of that album, especially because of its near 23-minute showstopper of a closing track, more than makes up for its flaws.

Ultimately, I think that Duke and Foxtrot are equally good albums. If it wasn't for that one bloody song on the former I'd rank it just above the latter.
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 10:08am »

NC is just pure magic, flawed perhaps like any Genesis album but the overall atmosphere is great. I heard it for the first time at a friend's place when I was about 15, back in 79 and it was about this time of the year. Snow, fireplace and this incredible music coming from the speakers. On top of that, that guy was a musician, an amazing guitarist and guided me through the things that made Genesis, in terms of songwriting, the best of all, in his opinion. Plus, he taught me the chords of TMB as a bonus. Got to go back and listen to it again, it's that time of the year again....
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 10:10am »

on Dec 5th, 2017, 08:10am, NoSonOfVine wrote:
If it wasn't for that one bloody song on the former I'd rank it just above the latter.

Which one is that?
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 10:49am »

on Dec 5th, 2017, 10:10am, Fabrizio wrote:
Which one is that?

I think you may be misunderstanding what he's saying...
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 10:52am »

on Dec 5th, 2017, 10:49am, onetwothree wrote:
I think you may be misunderstanding what he's saying...

It could be. From what I understand, there's a song he utterly loathes on Duke and I don't know which one it is. So I am asking.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 3:43pm »

I gave you a hint...
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 3:47pm »

grin

I think I have indeed been misunderstood...
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 4:00pm »

on Dec 5th, 2017, 3:43pm, onetwothree wrote:
I gave you a hint...

Oh, OK. God, I'm slow. cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 4:24pm »

on Dec 5th, 2017, 3:47pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
grin

I think I have indeed been misunderstood...

I obviously understand a song can generate that level of adversion; Misunderstanding does that to me, Invisible Touch would be another, that said, it is not enough, as for as I am concerned, to drag down an entire album. Duke is still one of their best albums in my book and I really enjoy 3SL and I find that song's live version even more irritating.
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