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« Thread started on: Nov 2nd, 2017, 09:04am »

When I first heard the WCD album, Since I Lost You fell off my radar. To me it sounded like Genesis was trying to do a tribute to the "50's sound." It did catch my ear when I heard Phil do a version of it for Storytellers back in 1997. The story behind the song was Genesis wrote it after they heard about the death of Eric Clapton's son.

Just this week, I lost a good friend of mine who died unexpectedly. He was only 46 (I'm 47). I listened to the Storytellers version again and it really hit home for me as tears welled up in my eyes. I posted a tribute to my friend on Facebook for those that know him could see and I included the youtube audio of the song. I was overwhelmed to hear how many people loved the song and commented on how beautiful it is. I guess you never know until you experience a similar situation for yourself...

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« Reply #1 on: Nov 2nd, 2017, 11:59am »

This is such a lovely version of a very moving song. Sadly by the time we get to a certain age (I am 57) the lyrics sound all too true.

"It seems in a moment, your whole World can shatter
Like morning dreams they just disappear"

It was an excellent choice as a lovely tribute to your friend...
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 3rd, 2017, 08:10am »

I expected this to be a complaining thread because that song gets a lot of dislike. I never disliked it and I always found it goes pretty well in the flow of WCD, even if I might be the only here perceiving this so.
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 3rd, 2017, 11:10am »

I have several issues with that song but after having read the posts I want to tread carefully and really try to treat this with the outmost respect.
Sorrow and pain are a personal experience, we all cope differently, mourning is also very personal, at the same time nobody gets to decide what is moving and what not.
I am also in favor of anything providing solace in times of distress and if it is a song, so be it.
Nobody is, I believe, entitled to pass judgement on that.
A tragedy like the loss of a child may very well be tackled in a song but I think we can all agree it is a daunting task and if it isn't, as father, I believe it should be.
For the longest time I though Since I lost you was but another love ballad, lyrics-wise quite unoriginal, there must be hundreds of love songs with the exact same words and just like others I thought it was musically, Genesis' nod at the 50s, in a very, for them, unusual Walz tempo.
I learned years after it was about Clapton's son and I confess I went from indifferent to pissed.
Just my personal opinion but if you cannot tell the lyrics of a generic and imo quite sappy love song, from a song about the tragedy of the death of a child......Something is wrong, something is missing.....
If an artist feels compelled to address this topic, I believe he should do so but if he is unable to treat it, address it with depth this grief deserves, my personal opinion is he shouldn't come nowhere near that. Very few could, after all.
That said, Phil had the good sense and taste to ring Clapton and tell him about the song and he is the one who needed to be OK with it, not me but on a personal level, I find it a quite shallow treatment of an unspeakable devastating and deep experience.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 3rd, 2017, 11:55am »

It was probably intentionally written in the way that it can also be taken as a breakup song. Tony hates the song. I think he used the word "awful".
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 3rd, 2017, 1:07pm »

on Nov 3rd, 2017, 11:55am, Chaim wrote:
It was probably intentionally written in the way that it can also be taken as a breakup song. Tony hates the song. I think he used the word "awful".

I wouldn't know but personally I would find it even more disconcerting. As for Tony; I've always found him a man of taste and discernment ;-)
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 3rd, 2017, 1:39pm »

on Nov 3rd, 2017, 11:10am, Fabrizio wrote:
another love ballad, lyrics-wise quite unoriginal, there must be hundreds of love songs with the exact same words and just like others I thought it was musically, Genesis' nod at the 50s, in a very, for them, unusual Walz tempo.
I learned years after it was about Clapton's son and I confess I went from indifferent to pissed.
Just my personal opinion but if you cannot tell the lyrics of a generic and imo quite sappy love song, from a song about the tragedy of the death of a child......Something is wrong, something is missing.....
If an artist feels compelled to address this topic, I believe he should do so but if he is unable to treat it, address it with depth this grief deserves, my personal opinion is he shouldn't come nowhere near that. Very few could, after all.

I'm also rather indifferent to the song, but I don't think it sounds like a "sappy love song," specifically; it's just vague, like it could apply to the loss, by any means, of any meaningful relationship. Honestly, though, I think it would have been very difficult to write it so that its exact subject matter was obvious. Maybe it needed an explanatory note with the printed lyrics in the CD package, like "Driving The Last Spike" has.
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 3rd, 2017, 3:27pm »

on Nov 3rd, 2017, 1:39pm, onetwothree wrote:
Honestly, though, I think it would have been very difficult to write it so that its exact subject matter was obvious. Maybe it needed an explanatory note with the printed lyrics in the CD package, like "Driving The Last Spike" has.

Yes, yes it would have been very difficult, as I said, it's an extremely tough one to tackle and imo one should really consider whether he's up to the task.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 3rd, 2017, 4:19pm »

on Nov 3rd, 2017, 1:39pm, onetwothree wrote:
I'm also rather indifferent to the song, but I don't think it sounds like a "sappy love song," specifically; it's just vague, like it could apply to the loss, by any means, of any meaningful relationship. Honestly, though, I think it would have been very difficult to write it so that its exact subject matter was obvious. Maybe it needed an explanatory note with the printed lyrics in the CD package, like "Driving The Last Spike" has.


And maybe they didn't want it spread all over the world & have it pinned down to being just about that tragic incident.

I understand that it does sound like just another breakup song if you listen to it on a superficial level. I like it but there are so many other superior songs on the album that when I did find out what it was about I didn't change my mind on it.
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 6th, 2017, 11:31am »

Although I appreciate that this song was likely written with the most earnest and heartfelt of intentions, this is the song I dislike most on WCD and one of the ones I dislike most in their catalogue.

Musically it is unremarkable and the echoey big production is painfully unsubtle. I grant that Phil's vocal is lovely.

Lyrically I find it trite, with plenty of clichés and an awkward lack of consistency in its similes and metaphors. Having a world shatter or a heart broken in pieces may be an accurate description of how one can feel, but from an artistic standpoint is really banal and unoriginal. Morning dreams that disappear are not anything like your world shattering. While a few dreams can be significant, for the most part we let go of our nightly dreams without any concern. This is totally unlike the experience of having your world shatter and stay shattered from losing a loved one. And having a sandcastle washed away is so NOT like losing a loved one. Maybe like your house washed away by a tsunami...

All that said, this song clearly speaks to others in a meaningful way and my irritations with it should in no way take away from the validity of their experiences.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 6th, 2017, 5:33pm »

on Nov 6th, 2017, 11:31am, Dr. John wrote:
Although I appreciate that this song was likely written with the most earnest and heartfelt of intentions, this is the song I dislike most on WCD and one of the ones I dislike most in their catalogue.

Musically it is unremarkable and the echoey big production is painfully unsubtle. I grant that Phil's vocal is lovely.

Lyrically I find it trite, with plenty of clichés and an awkward lack of consistency in its similes and metaphors. Having a world shatter or a heart broken in pieces may be an accurate description of how one can feel, but from an artistic standpoint is really banal and unoriginal. Morning dreams that disappear are not anything like your world shattering. While a few dreams can be significant, for the most part we let go of our nightly dreams without any concern. This is totally unlike the experience of having your world shatter and stay shattered from losing a loved one. And having a sandcastle washed away is so NOT like losing a loved one. Maybe like your house washed away by a tsunami...

All that said, this song clearly speaks to others in a meaningful way and my irritations with it should in no way take away from the validity of their experiences.


So what about the end:

I held your hand so tightly
That I could not let it go
Now how can life ever be the same

That's the part I had trouble with when I finally found out what the song was about. That seems to be about viewing the body.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 6th, 2017, 6:11pm »

on Nov 6th, 2017, 5:33pm, FeelItComing wrote:
So what about the end:

I held your hand so tightly
That I could not let it go
Now how can life ever be the same

That's the part I had trouble with when I finally found out what the song was about. That seems to be about viewing the body.

It still can be taken or mistaken for a love/break-up song and as the Doctor quite eloquently put it, a quite cliché-ridden one.
Holding hands, life isn't the same, since you've been gone, all the dreams, the plans, like dust through my fingers.
It pretty much falls into the ''Hold on my heart canon''.
Given the subject it is simply odd that you cannot really tell and need the artist to tell you.
I dare anybody to understand what, not who, but what that song was about upon listening to it.
Incidentally, I was listening to UP the other day, specifically ''I grieve''. I don't know whether that song is about somebody in particular but the sense of bereavement is palpable and unmistakable.
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 6th, 2017, 9:47pm »

I have always loved this song. I know it's not too popular among fans, and the band didn't really like it much (although Phil did). But I love the kind of 50's vocal group ballad sound, mixed with the Genesis style. So unique, yet moving. Phil really sings his heart out in this song, and you can just feel the emotion in his vocals...
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 7th, 2017, 05:47am »

I understand the points that are being made in this thread and I too thought it was a breakup song until I heard the story behind it. After that when I heard the song it was always in a different light. To this day, I still don't care for the WCD version as Genesis playing a waltz type song went against everything they stand for. But when you hear Phil playing it solo, like in storytellers, in a stripped down version, I think the song becomes more powerful! I can appreciate it much more. As for getting angry about why the song was written, I can't even begin to understand why someone would react that way. Sounds to me like there may be some underlying issues there.

My friend's wife heard the song and was immediately blessed by the lyrics telling me how beautiful they were. A few days later I notice she posted the WCD version on her Facebook page and mentioned a friend posted this song and wanted to share it with her friends. So who knows, maybe this will lead to her listening to more Genesis music? The main thing is she finds comfort in knowing her husband is in a better place...
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 7th, 2017, 06:35am »

on Nov 7th, 2017, 05:47am, HomeByTheSea wrote:
As for getting angry about why the song was written, I can't even begin to understand why someone would react that way. Sounds to me like there may be some underlying issues there.

music? The main thing is she finds comfort in knowing her husband is in a better place...

To the most important point here:
I have already expressed that no one has any sort of authority on what moves or resonates with another human being in a moment of distress. If it helps and provides solace during said moment, I am all for it.
As for the rest, help me understand: since you cannot understand why someone would be upset by what imo is such a shallow, tasteless treatment of what is undoubtedly a tragedy there MUST be underlying issues? No, no issue.
I am a father, yes and I do know people who have been struck with this unspeakable tragedy but it is really not it.
I just resent the trivialization of the subject, the shallowness it has been tackled with, I believe they bit off more than they could chew, they did it also way of the world and tell me why btw. and they could have avoided it.
As i said in the beginning, if you need to explain what the song is really about, because everybody thinks it's yet another break-up song and not even an original one, something is really missing. It is bizarre, we need an explanation to get emotional.
Perhaps this is my underlying issue, I have a hard time comparing the pain and sorrow deriving from such a situation with that of your woman leaving you but of course and there is no irony involved here, that's me.
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