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 poll_icon_closed  Poll  Poll Question: Which song exclusion is the most disappointing to you?
Twilight Alehouse isn't on Foxtrot VotesVotesVotes 1 (3%)
It's Yourself isn't on A Trick Of The Tail VotesVotesVotes 2 (7%)
Inside And Out isn't on Wind And Wuthering VotesVotesVotes 2 (7%)
The Day The Light Went Out isn't on ATTWT VotesImageVotes 0 (0%)
Evidence Of Autumn isn't on Duke VotesVotesVotes 4 (15%)
You Might Recall isn't on Abacab VotesVotesVotes 9 (34%)
Do The Neurotic isn't on Invisible Touch VotesVotesVotes 7 (26%)
Other VotesVotesVotes 1 (3%)
Total votes: 26  
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« Reply #15 on: Oct 25th, 2017, 4:27pm »

I would have loved Trick to have one more song, if there was one complain about that record, it was that I found it so brilliant that I also found it too short. I understand the vinyl format didn't allow any more song. I was obviously thrilled to learn there was another track from those magic sessions but I got to listen to it only years later. Unfortunately and honestly I find It's yourself rather weak so I am quite OK with leaving it out.
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« Reply #16 on: Oct 25th, 2017, 4:33pm »

I answered "Inside and Out", with some doubts because I do like "Your Own Special Way" a lot more than a couple of the Abacab tracks that could have made way for "You Might Recall". But I think "Inside and Out" is a lot more special than "You Might Recall" is.

on Oct 25th, 2017, 3:31pm, boredatwork wrote:
There is - but I havenít voted for it as it belongs on Nursery Cryme not Foxtrot wink


on Oct 25th, 2017, 3:37pm, onetwothree wrote:
I'm pretty sure TA was recorded during the FOXTROT sessions. Now, Happy The Man is sometimes associated with NURSERY CRYME -- though I'm pretty sure it was recorded in 1972 as well.


The released version of "Twilight Alehouse" may have been recorded in the Foxtrot sessions (and you may be right about "Happy the Man" as well) but these songs were definitely written considerably before that, and were played live before Nursery Cryme was recorded, much like "The Musical Box". I agree with boredatwork that "Twilight Alehouse" belongs with Nursery Cryme. I wonder if the band recorded another version during the NC sessions that was never released? Or if they decided they had enough songs at that time and it was okay for "Twilight Alehouse" to remain a live-only song for the time being?
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« Reply #17 on: Oct 25th, 2017, 4:38pm »

on Oct 25th, 2017, 4:27pm, Fabrizio wrote:
I would have loved Trick to have one more song, if there was one complain about that record, it was that I found it so brilliant that I also found it too short. I understand the vinyl format didn't allow any more song.


At 51 minutes it was still a lot longer than most single-disc vinyl LPs, surely?

I understand what you mean though. Sometimes there are CD-era albums which I think might have benefited from the time-constraints of vinyl (e.g. We Can't Dance perhaps) but - unlike you I suppose - I'm very happy with a version of Trick that includes "It's Yourself" between "Squonk" and "Mad Man Moon".
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« Reply #18 on: Oct 25th, 2017, 4:56pm »

on Oct 25th, 2017, 4:38pm, Merryman72 wrote:
At 51 minutes it was still a lot longer than most single-disc vinyl LPs, surely?

I understand what you mean though. Sometimes there are CD-era albums which I think might have benefited from the time-constraints of vinyl (e.g. We Can't Dance perhaps) but - unlike you I suppose - I'm very happy with a version of Trick that includes "It's Yourself" between "Squonk" and "Mad Man Moon".

You are right of course, there were shorter albums, I guess I just liked this one so much that I wanted more and as you can imagine I wanted to like It's Yourself very much.
I am sorry to say I really don't.
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« Reply #19 on: Oct 25th, 2017, 6:25pm »

I too think that Twilight Alehouse would have been good on Nursery Cryme. That album was only 39 minutes long so you could put on that and maybe something else, too.

1. The Musical Box
2. For Absent Friends
3. The Return of the Giant Hogweed
4. Happy the Man

5. Seven Stones
6. Twilight Alehouse
7. Harold the Barrel
8. Harlequin
9. Fountain of Salmacis

I thought about Going Out to Get You but that would probably go on the end, and I think Fountain is too perfect an ending to add something after.
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« Reply #20 on: Oct 25th, 2017, 11:44pm »

I went for It's Yourself. IMO that should have been the track to lead into Los Endos.

I almost went with Do The Neurotic, which IMO is one of Genesis best instrumentals.

Some were forgotten though-I would've loved if On The Shoreline were on WCD, or if Paperlate were on Abacab!!
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« Reply #21 on: Oct 26th, 2017, 06:03am »

on Oct 25th, 2017, 6:25pm, WutheringNights76 wrote:
I too think that Twilight Alehouse would have been good on Nursery Cryme. That album was only 39 minutes long so you could put on that and maybe something else, too.

1. The Musical Box
2. For Absent Friends
3. The Return of the Giant Hogweed
4. Happy the Man

5. Seven Stones
6. Twilight Alehouse
7. Harold the Barrel
8. Harlequin
9. Fountain of Salmacis

I thought about Going Out to Get You but that would probably go on the end, and I think Fountain is too perfect an ending to add something after.


I don't know, I could see "Going Out to Get You" as the opener to side 2. We'd have to start doing a bit of shuffling at that point though.

Perhaps something like:

1. The Musical Box
2. For Absent Friends
3. Harold the Barrel
4. The Return of the Giant Hogweed
5. Happy the Man

6. Going Out to Get You
7. Seven Stones
8. Twilight Alehouse
9. Harlequin
10. The Fountain of Salmacis

I think that's about 27 minutes a side. (The unreleased, later version of GOTGY, which I assume is what we're talking about, would be about 3:30 judging from the live version I have.)
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« Reply #22 on: Oct 26th, 2017, 08:40am »

on Oct 25th, 2017, 11:44pm, Billys_Number wrote:
Some were forgotten though-I would've loved if On The Shoreline were on WCD, or if Paperlate were on Abacab!!

Not forgotten. Note the "other" option.
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« Reply #23 on: Oct 26th, 2017, 08:45am »

on Oct 26th, 2017, 06:03am, Merryman72 wrote:
I don't know, I could see "Going Out to Get You" as the opener to side 2. We'd have to start doing a bit of shuffling at that point though.

I wouldn't want it on the album personally. Both because I don't think it fits with the album and because, to be honest, that song does nothing for me and therefore it would weaken the album if added.

Adding Happy The Man and Twilight Alehouse? Nice, but as for GOTGY, I'd want it to go and get out of the album. grin
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« Reply #24 on: Oct 26th, 2017, 08:49am »

IMO Do The Neurotic is a much better song than the Brazilian. I have always been a big fan of Genesis instrumentals and the Brazilian is one song that I could never get into, like it just doesn't have that "take the listener to the next level" feel. It's missing that for sure. Do The Neurotic is a nice jam that allows all members to stretch out their solos, Mike especially as he plays with much confidence in his leads. I wish we got more of that with him on IT!
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« Reply #25 on: Oct 26th, 2017, 09:28am »

on Oct 26th, 2017, 08:45am, NoSonOfVine wrote:
I wouldn't want it on the album personally. Both because I don't think it fits with the album and because, to be honest, that song does nothing for me and therefore it would weaken the album if added.

Adding Happy The Man and Twilight Alehouse? Nice, but as for GOTGY, I'd want it to go and get out of the album. grin

Just curious: Are you referring to the song as it exists in demo form on ARCHIVE 1? Or the song as it can be heard (however inadequately) on circa 1972 bootlegs? Because they're practically two different songs. If you're referring to the ARCHIVE 1 version, I'm in total agreement with you.
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« Reply #26 on: Oct 26th, 2017, 09:36am »

on Oct 26th, 2017, 09:28am, onetwothree wrote:
Just curious: Are you referring to the song as it exists in demo form on ARCHIVE 1? Or the song as it can be heard (however inadequately) on circa 1972 bootlegs? Because they're practically two different songs. If you're referring to the ARCHIVE 1 version, I'm in total agreement with you.


This is pretty much what I was going to say. smiley

For reference, here is one of the better-sounding recordings of the later version:

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« Reply #27 on: Oct 26th, 2017, 10:43am »

on Oct 26th, 2017, 09:28am, onetwothree wrote:
Just curious: Are you referring to the song as it exists in demo form on ARCHIVE 1? Or the song as it can be heard (however inadequately) on circa 1972 bootlegs? Because they're practically two different songs. If you're referring to the ARCHIVE 1 version, I'm in total agreement with you.

I've only heard the Archive 1 version. Didn't know there were two different versions. shocked
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« Reply #28 on: Oct 26th, 2017, 11:53am »

on Oct 26th, 2017, 10:43am, NoSonOfVine wrote:
I've only heard the Archive 1 version. Didn't know there were two different versions. shocked

Yup. The story goes that the post-Ant version of GOTGY (a much better song than the demo version, IMO) was recorded for a single release, to be backed with the unheard "Wooden Mask," but the recordings were lost. And what a loss for Genesis fans!

The later GOTGY can only be heard on old bootlegs now, but it seems to have usually served as a show-stopping finale.
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on Oct 25th, 2017, 11:15am, onetwothree wrote:
CALLING ALL STATIONS - Anything Now is one of my favorite Genesis outtakes


I strongly second that, which shouldn't surprise anybody! ;-)
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