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« Thread started on: Feb 12th, 2017, 4:47pm »

In my opinion and the opinion of many (most?) other Genesis fans, this album ranks at the bottom of the pile. But interestingly, to me it's the worst for a specific, almost unique reason: it's almost entirely forgettable. Literally forgettable, meaning that I honestly, as of writing this, cannot remember 99% of the album.

All bands have a worst album, and normally, you can remember it. You can think "Oh, that's the bad album" or "that's the weakest one" and you know why, because you remember the songs and why they aren't very good. With FGTR, I could listen to this album multiple times in one day and still forget how almost every track on it goes. This album is so empty to me that, when listening to it, the tracks blend together into a big, ghostly haze, one that quickly dissipates as the minutes pass after the final track is over.

For this thread I decided to challenge myself to see how much of the album I can remember. I read the track-listing, and I found that I can remember one little bit from it: The chorus of In The Wilderness. That's literally all I could remember. Afterwards, I previewed little excerpts of the album's songs on my iTunes library, and I kept saying "Oh yeah, that one. Oh yeah, that one." in my head over and over.

So am I alone in this? Is anyone one else unable to recall how the songs of this album sound, as in, incapable of humming the melodies or remembering any of the lyrics? Because I've heard this album several times and it's clearly left virtually no impression on me (that one song being the sole exception). That's why this album is by very far, the worst of them to me. The songs are completely, utterly, forgettable, as if they barely even exist. Then again, maybe that aspect gives it some mild charm, like it's some kind of ancient, incomprehensible relic.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 12th, 2017, 5:48pm »

You have to remember that they were 16 or 17 when they wrote it. How many 16 year old a do you know that write a complete album?
Also, they never intended on recording, they wanted to be writers only but couldn't find anyone to record it.
Having said that, the album is more miss than hit but contains some good melodies similar to the BeeGees at the time. Sure it's forgettable but considering their age and era, I think it's an admirable effort
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 12th, 2017, 6:06pm »

on Feb 12th, 2017, 4:47pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
In my opinion and the opinion of many (most?) other Genesis fans, this album ranks at the bottom of the pile. But interestingly, to me it's the worst for a specific, almost unique reason: it's almost entirely forgettable. Literally forgettable, meaning that I honestly, as of writing this, cannot remember 99% of the album.

All bands have a worst album, and normally, you can remember it. You can think "Oh, that's the bad album" or "that's the weakest one" and you know why, because you remember the songs and why they aren't very good. With FGTR, I could listen to this album multiple times in one day and still forget how almost every track on it goes. This album is so empty to me that, when listening to it, the tracks blend together into a big, ghostly haze, one that quickly dissipates as the minutes pass after the final track is over.

For this thread I decided to challenge myself to see how much of the album I can remember. I read the track-listing, and I found that I can remember one little bit from it: The chorus of In The Wilderness. That's literally all I could remember. Afterwards, I previewed little excerpts of the album's songs on my iTunes library, and I kept saying "Oh yeah, that one. Oh yeah, that one." in my head over and over.

So am I alone in this? Is anyone one else unable to recall how the songs of this album sound, as in, incapable of humming the melodies or remembering any of the lyrics? Because I've heard this album several times and it's clearly left virtually no impression on me (that one song being the sole exception). That's why this album is by very far, the worst of them to me. The songs are completely, utterly, forgettable, as if they barely even exist. Then again, maybe that aspect gives it some mild charm, like it's some kind of ancient, incomprehensible relic.


That pretty much sums up my opinions of FGTR. I listened to it from start to beginning once. I too had to listen to ITunes samples when listing songs for the best and worst songs threads.
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 12th, 2017, 6:34pm »

+1.

I've probably listened to it a half-dozen times. Does little for me.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 12th, 2017, 6:52pm »

No you're not alone, I feel the same. For the first album by a band who've been so huge for me for decades, it's so off my radar it's like a blind spot.

In mitigation I'd also agree with Yild4's comments and add that it clearly didn't turn out the way they wanted, with the production and strings etc.

Possible non-Genesis thread - bands whose debut albums barely register. I'm a huge Radiohead fan and like many of their fans I pay little or no attention to their first album.
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 12th, 2017, 7:49pm »

I have to agree as well. It became most noticeable for me when I opened that "side 1 vs. side 2" poll thread for FGTR and I saw I had zero clue what the hell all those songs on side 2 were.

I can keep some songs in mind: Silent Sun, Where The Sour Turns To Sweet, In The Beginning, The Serpent, and Fireside Song - that last one because it stood out to me as the worst song on the whole album, which says something. As for the rest, no chance, I will always be lost to remember those other songs. I can't keep even keep the titles in mind. That said, they're not all that bad, they just keep slipping my memory.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 12th, 2017, 8:29pm »

on Feb 12th, 2017, 6:52pm, Backdrifter wrote:
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 13th, 2017, 03:09am »

i vaguely recall that the serpent was ok, and it did sound like genesis (kind of).

none of the songs off 'from genesis to revelation' was ever played like. i wonder what the audience reaction would have been if they had played one of them. would they have identified it as a genesis song at all, would they have booed...?
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 13th, 2017, 06:30am »

Really? As I understood they played everything they had back then, however the FGTR songs were dumped as soon as possible.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 13th, 2017, 06:41am »

I guess I've been a Genesis fan too long because I can remember the whole album quite well. Granted, it didn't make a very good impression on me when I first heard it (a lot of Genesis stuff didn't, actually); and I still consider it sort of a big, clunky, antique that doesn't quite fit in with the band's catalog -- an odd, hazy, disorienting work to listen to. Nonetheless, as with pretty much all Genesis material, I have developed a certain fondness for it over the years. There's a certain haunting quality in some of the songs that I enjoy, especially "Sour," "Serpent" and "Limbo."

Shoot, I even enjoy the early demos from ARCHIVE 1.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 13th, 2017, 07:16am »

on Feb 12th, 2017, 6:52pm, Backdrifter wrote:
I'm a huge Radiohead fan and like many of their fans I pay little or no attention to their first album.

I'm also a fan of Radiohead, but I rather enjoy their debut. smiley
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 13th, 2017, 08:00am »

on Feb 13th, 2017, 07:16am, NoSonOfVine wrote:
I'm also a fan of Radiohead, but I rather enjoy their debut. smiley

Fair enough, there are still plenty of fans who are faithful to that album, and I do like most of it. While I wouldn't routinely listen to them now, I do still like Stop Whispering and Ripcord. I also like some of the stuff on the Iron Lung EP that has the feel of Pablo Honey about it - Permanent Daylight is still a favourite of mine and I also like Lewis and Punchdrunk.

Re Revelation, I keep meaning to revisit it, sit down and give it a fair hearing and maybe discover something there to grab hold of. I will do it. One day!

Yes I too was under the impression they had performed at least some of it live. The very earliest setlist I've seen, from September 1969, alleges 5 tracks from it, then a slightly later setlist down to 2 and after that setlists seem very sparse for 1970, I think I've seen only one from that year and the set is already pre-release Trespass-heavy along with those post-Revelation/pre-Trespass ones such as Going out To Get You, Pacidy, Little Leaf etc, with none from Revelation any more. It shows how quickly they started to develop their own style once they separated from King.
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 13th, 2017, 09:33am »

I quite like it for what it is, and do indeed remember a lot of the songs. When I first endeavoured to listen to the band properly (outside of the popular songs I knew from the radio), I decided to do it chronologically and perhaps that helps it stick out in my mind. Also, not having a deep knowledge of the pre-Phil years might have helped me as I didn't have anything to compare it to until later on.
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 13th, 2017, 09:37am »

Every once in a while I give From Genesis To Revelation a spin again, just to see if there's anything there I might connect to.

I haven't yet.

While browsing the Best/Worst threads I was impressed how many folks knew the songs well enough to list one from that album. I remember some of the titles, I remember some of the songs, but other than The Silent Sun I don't think I can accurately put any names with the songs.
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 13th, 2017, 12:00pm »

An interesting challenge! I think the problem is that some of the song titles don't contain the hook. Led Zeppelin did the same thing a lot. I got the FGTR track list from Amazon. Let me see what I can recall from each song without listening.

Where the Sour Turns to Sweet - "We're waiting for you, come and join us now"

In the Beginning - "That is the sound of a newborn world, the light from a curious sky"

Fireside Song - Umm...

The Serpent - "Creator made the Serpent wise, evil in his tempting eyes. Man is wonderful, very wonderful, look at him!"

Am I Very Wrong? - "...to want to leave my friends and curse of the happiness machine?"

In the Wilderness - "Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please"

The Conqueror - "The heads they a-rolling, for the conqueror is on his way."

In Hiding - "Pick me up, put me down, push me in, turn me 'round"

One Day - "Don't get me wrong, I think I'm in love..."

Window - Umm....

In Limbo - "Please, take me away... to the furthest star in the sky"

The Silent Sun - "Baby, you feel so close, I wish you could see my love"

A Place to Call My Own - "And I nearly found a place to call my own" (That's all I can recall of that one).

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