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xx The hardest Genesis tracks to find
« Thread started on: Jan 10th, 2017, 08:02am »

An article of sorts, from a particularly nerdy fan (me)...
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There are no doubt many Genesis fans who haven't heard all of the band's songs. Some just haven't bothered to check out all of their albums (esp. FGTR). But others may have found that some tracks were just too hard to get a hold of... specifically, the ones that aren't even on the box sets:

Image Blown Out (early version)
Available only on a particular import edition of FROM GENESIS TO REVELATION. This is a 1967 demo, predating the 1968 version of the song heard on ARCHIVE 1967-1975. This early version has some sections that were removed by 1968; while the song actually flows better without them, they're certainly different and interesting. This is worth seeking out if you're a real Genesis completist and/or have an interest in the band's pre-TRESPASS work.

It's Yourself (original version)
This TRICK OF THE TAIL-era B-side was issued on ARCHIVE 2: 1976-1992 in a version that was faded out early. The 1976-1982 box set gave us a version that had an extra verse edited in from an early demo version... and was still faded out early. But the original version, with the full ending (complete with subtle "Mad Man Moon" reference) is a Genesis treasure that deserves to be readily available. It can be dug up in 45-RPM vinyl form, but it's never been released on CD.

Mama (full version)
It's Gonna Get Better (full version)

The versions of these songs on the GENESIS album were edited from the full versions, which were originally released on a 12" single. On the album "Mama" is just faded out about 45 seconds early, but "It's Gonna Get Better" has a whole verse and chorus (about 1.5 minutes) cut out -- awkwardly leaving the song with only one verse. The full versions can be found on out-of-print CD singles, and as such are worth seeking out.

Papa He Said
Banjo Man
Phret
7/8

There were 7 CALLING ALL STATIONS outtakes released on CD singles, but only 3 made it onto the 1983-1998 box set. The rest can only be found on the rare original CD singles, or on bootlegs. Unless you're really a completist, though, you may not want to go to the trouble of finding them.

Nowhere Else To Turn
Another CALLING outtake, this may be the only Genesis song that was recorded in a complete studio version but never released. If you really want to hear it, you can probably find it on the same bootlegs as the other CALLING outtakes. Again, though, only a true completist would probably want to bother with it. (Ray Wilson, who wrote the lyrics, once said it wasn't released because "it was crap.")
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xx Re: The hardest Genesis tracks to find
« Reply #1 on: Jan 10th, 2017, 09:45am »

I bought the 45 of "It's Yourself" after hearing someone else's copy, I certainly didn't buy it for the A-side. It is, as you say, worth seeking out.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 10th, 2017, 11:00am »

Let me see which ones I own:

I have that version of 'Image Blown Out' on my edition of FGTR. It was some random edition I bought in a Müller Markt in the early 2000's.

I also have those extended versions of Mama and IGGB, I found the vinyl maxi in a second hand record store.

And 'Nowhere Else To Turn' was on a 5-disc bootleg series I downloaded some ~10 years ago on a slightly illegal download site. That box set also contains those rare live recordings of 'The Light' and 'Bye Bye Johnny'.

Another bootleg I found as a download somehow somewhere contained early BBC demo recordings that differ slightly from the final versions. 'The Musical Box' had an extra turnaround in the "Old King Cole" passage, Stagnation had an alternate ending that reprises the intro of the song.

If we add the bootlegs with leaked demos from various albums, it gets bizarre - just think of that recording of 'You Really Got Me' and that stuff. But funny enough, these bootlegs are way easier to find than some officially released rarities. I still couldn't get those CAS singles anywhere. They keep popping up on amazon for vast sums.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 10th, 2017, 11:41am »

on Jan 10th, 2017, 08:02am, onetwothree wrote:
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Nowhere Else To Turn
...Again, though, only a true completist would probably want to bother with it. (Ray Wilson, who wrote the lyrics, once said it wasn't released because "it was crap.")


I actually thought it was one of the better outtakes from the CAS sessions — it was either my favourite or second-favourite.
The outtake tracks I didn't care much for were the two instrumentals.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 10th, 2017, 12:26pm »

on Jan 10th, 2017, 11:00am, Schrottrocker wrote:
...early BBC demo recordings that differ slightly from the final versions. 'The Musical Box' had an extra turnaround in the "Old King Cole" passage, Stagnation had an alternate ending that reprises the intro of the song.

Yep, I have those too. I think an official release of Genesis BBC sessions, including those tracks, would be most worthwhile.

on Jan 10th, 2017, 11:41am, Witchwood wrote:
The outtake tracks I didn't care much for were the two instrumentals.

Well, I can't blame you for that, especially "Phret."
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 10th, 2017, 3:04pm »

What about all the Demos from the Lamb, Selling England and ATOT?
Of course none of these are official I suppose...
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 10th, 2017, 8:59pm »

I'm not sure if all of these are the correct versions that you're talking about, but you can listen to all of these on YouTube.









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« Reply #7 on: Jan 11th, 2017, 07:17am »

on Jan 10th, 2017, 8:59pm, rael1974 wrote:
I'm not sure if all of these are the correct versions that you're talking about, but you can listen to all of these on YouTube.

I believe they are all correct.
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 11th, 2017, 6:47pm »

on Jan 10th, 2017, 8:59pm, rael1974 wrote:
I'm not sure if all of these are the correct versions that you're talking about, but you can listen to all of these on YouTube.


Thanks for posting these rael1974... smiley
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 11th, 2017, 11:01pm »

on Jan 11th, 2017, 6:47pm, Noni wrote:

Thanks for posting these rael1974... smiley


No problem. You can find every studio release by Genesis on YouTube (as well as most live releases).
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 11th, 2017, 11:17pm »

on Jan 11th, 2017, 11:01pm, rael1974 wrote:
No problem. You can find every studio release by Genesis on YouTube (as well as most live releases).


I have the main Genesis albums and that's it. Have not heard any others by them or extra material.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 12th, 2017, 01:05am »

on Jan 11th, 2017, 11:17pm, Noni wrote:
I have the main Genesis albums and that's it. Have not heard any others by them or extra material.


I recommend purchasing both Archive 1&2
Lots of extra material on there that was unavailable before the 2007 remasters were released. Except for bootleg releases obviously...
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 12th, 2017, 09:17am »

'Whodunnit' with Peter on extra bass drum is the one of the hardest...
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on Jan 12th, 2017, 09:17am, kayley10 wrote:
'Whodunnit' with Peter on extra bass drum is the one of the hardest...


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« Reply #14 on: Jan 12th, 2017, 11:19pm »

on Jan 11th, 2017, 11:17pm, Noni wrote:
I have the main Genesis albums and that's it. Have not heard any others by them or extra material.


These are all of the non-album studio songs by Genesis from 1970 to 1999 (I can never remember all of the Jonathan King era demos). If you're interested, you can listen to all of these for free on YouTube.

Nursery Cryme
Happy The Man
Foxtrot
Watcher Of The Skies (Single Edit)
Twilight Alehouse
A Trick Of The Tail
It's Yourself
Wind And Wuthering
Match Of The Day
Pigeons
Inside And Out
...And Then There Were Three...
Vancouver
The Day The Light Went Out
Duke
Open Door
Evidence Of Autumn
Abacab
Naminanu
Submarine
Paperlate
You Might Recall
Me And Virgil
Genesis
Mama (12")
It's Gonna Get Better (12")
Invisible Touch
Do The Neurotic
Feeding The Fire
I'd Rather Be You
We Can't Dance
On The Shoreline
Hearts On Fire
Calling All Stations
Papa He Said
Banjo Man
Phret
7/8
Anything Now
Sign Your Life Away
Run Out Of Time
Nowhere Else To Turn
Turn It On Again: The Hits
The Carpet Crawlers 1999
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