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« Reply #15 on: Feb 23rd, 2017, 3:51pm »

on Feb 23rd, 2017, 3:26pm, rael1974 wrote:
I was confused the first time I heard it. After that, I just hated it. I started skipping it after my second or third listen of Abacab.

Probably the reaction they were going for and reckoning with. It was meant to disconcert and ruffle feathers.
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« Reply #16 on: Feb 23rd, 2017, 4:18pm »

on Feb 23rd, 2017, 3:51pm, Fabrizio wrote:
Probably the reaction they were going for and reckoning with. It was meant to disconcert and ruffle feathers.


Well, they succeeded then.
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 24th, 2017, 06:22am »

on Feb 23rd, 2017, 4:18pm, rael1974 wrote:
Well, they succeeded then.

They did indeed, I wonder if they expected some fans to actuallly like it. It might have come as a surprise to them.
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 24th, 2017, 06:43am »

when i first listened to the album 'abacab' -i was about seventeen years old back then-, i wasn't prepared to listen to such experimental music. and, to be honest, songs such as me and sarah jane, keep it dark, dodo/lurker, who dunnit, like it or not and another record sounded equally awful to me. embarassed

now i think that dodo and sarah jane are great, keep it dark is very good, like it or not is just ok, who dunnit is a joke, and another record is plain bad.
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 24th, 2017, 09:10am »

on Feb 24th, 2017, 06:43am, Kerry95 wrote:
when i first listened to the album 'abacab' -i was about seventeen years old back then-, i wasn't prepared to listen to such experimental music. and, to be honest, songs such as me and sarah jane, keep it dark, dodo/lurker, who dunnit, like it or not and another record sounded equally awful to me. embarassed

now i think that dodo and sarah jane are great, keep it dark is very good, like it or not is just ok, who dunnit is a joke, and another record is plain bad.

Similar experience, similar age and similar assesment. I was OK with the change in direction though, something had to change, I liked the energy exuding from the record but I thought and still think the material, apart from a couple of exceptions was extremely thin. Phil was great though, I saw them live in 82 and imo there was no finer singer around, that would include much more celebrated figures of that period like Sting and Bono.
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« Reply #20 on: Feb 24th, 2017, 11:17am »

With the release of the red box set, I began to treat the IT and WCD era b-sides as a separate album and as a result, grew to regard them higher, especially "On the Shoreline" and "Do the Neurotic".

Also, Nick Davis's remix of "Pigeons" completely transformed my opinion of the song from one I didn't care for at all, to one that I can enjoy from time-to-time.
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 24th, 2017, 10:24pm »

I've come to appreciate Abacab more lately. I always liked Duke but lately it's becoming one of my favorite albums. Same with And Then There Were Three. The Lady Lies and Heathaze are two songs I completely over looked for the longest time, which is crazy because both songs are brilliant.
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« Reply #22 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 6:22pm »

on Feb 24th, 2017, 10:24pm, BlinkeredArcade wrote:
I've come to appreciate Abacab more lately. I always liked Duke but lately it's becoming one of my favorite albums. Same with And Then There Were Three. The Lady Lies and Heathaze are two songs I completely over looked for the longest time, which is crazy because both songs are brilliant.


Not to mention Many Too Many. Brilliant song!
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« Reply #23 on: Feb 26th, 2017, 5:56pm »

on Feb 25th, 2017, 6:22pm, Yild4Genesis wrote:
Not to mention Many Too Many. Brilliant song!
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Yes, and I would add "Down And Out" and "Undertow" as well.
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« Reply #24 on: Feb 27th, 2017, 02:25am »

Re all the Abacab talk: I was one of a bunch of Genesis fans at school and was the only one who actually liked the album when it came out, and even didn't mind Who Dunnit too much. Though I didn't think of it in exactly these terms back then, I agree with the above comment that it was time they took a different direction. I liked, and still like, the space that seemed to open up in their sound, and the slightly harder edge it had.

I recently had a heated discussion about the album with one of those fans who didn't like them from around this point on, claiming they'd "lost their musical integrity". My view is that they retained it completely - no-one who ever saw them play live could think otherwise - but they just applied it in a different way than before, one which guys like this particular fan didn't like. The way I see it, bands do what they do and it's up to the fans to come along if they want to; if they don't, they either won't come along anymore, or they still will but will gripe about it.
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« Reply #25 on: Feb 27th, 2017, 12:11pm »

on Feb 27th, 2017, 02:25am, Backdrifter wrote:
I liked, and still like, the space that seemed to open up in their sound, and the slightly harder edge it had.

I recently had a heated discussion about the album with one of those fans who didn't like them from around this point on, claiming they'd "lost their musical integrity". My view is that they retained it completely - .

' Music integrity' is too pompous and above all too vague a term to be taken seriously imo. Let's just say they became more 'commercially aware' and I don't think that's necessary an insut or a bad thing but it can't be denied either, there are several indicators for that. Still, if the concept behind the material seemed interesting enough: sparse arrangements, edgier sound, shorter compositions they achieved that with the first side of the Mama album and fell quite short with the execution on Abacab imo. Abacab is pure energy but it seems to be out of focus. Most of the material didn't stand the test of time and the rest is simply forgettable.
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