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« Reply #75 on: Nov 12th, 2017, 5:18pm »

on Nov 12th, 2017, 2:21pm, Kerry95 wrote:
when i first listened to 'duke', i was about sixteen years old. i only liked these songs:
- behind the lines, because i had already listened to the 'face value' version. i liked the slower 'duke' version better.
- misunderstanding, because it was pretty simple and accessible.
- turn it on again, because i had already listened to some live recordings of it, though it disappointed me a little how brief the studio version was.
- duke's travels, because it reminded me of other genesis instrumentals.

now i think 'duke' is one of the best genesis albums. my favourite song is duchess, which sounded weird and awful to me at first.

I too was about 16, I remember borrowing Duke and Weather Report's 8:30 from a friend.
It was a good summer.....I didn't speak much English at the time, so I focused entirely on the music, I loved the album and I still do, as I said the only one who stood out negatively for me was Misunderstanding, I remember thinking that stylistically, from a musical point of view, together with TIOA, it had little to do with the rest of the music, the difference being that I liked TIOA a lot. In time my vocabulary got better and I started feeling that PDA was another one off, although I think it's a terrific song. i also remember being impressed with Phil's singing. It was such a dramatic improvement from ATTW3.
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« Reply #76 on: Nov 13th, 2017, 11:01am »

What is this TOA of which you speak? grin
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« Reply #77 on: Nov 13th, 2017, 11:09am »

on Nov 13th, 2017, 11:01am, foxfeeder wrote:
What is this TOA of which you speak? grin

Sorry, TIOA.
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« Reply #78 on: Nov 13th, 2017, 12:09pm »

on Nov 12th, 2017, 09:25am, foxfeeder wrote:
Man of our times is the first track in need of dropping.

I'm surprised how much dislike there is for Man Of Our Times. It's one of the DUKE tracks that grabbed me right away, as opposed to others (Heathaze, Cul-De-Sac, Please Don't Ask) that took time for me to warm up to.

I would bet that most Genesis fans who really like SMALLCREEP'S DAY would really like MOOT as well, and vice versa.
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« Reply #79 on: Nov 13th, 2017, 12:20pm »

on Nov 13th, 2017, 12:09pm, onetwothree wrote:
I'm surprised how much dislike there is for Man Of Our Times. It's one of the DUKE tracks that grabbed me right away, as opposed to others (Heathaze, Cul-De-Sac, Please Don't Ask) that took time for me to warm up to.

I would bet that most Genesis fans who really like SMALLCREEP'S DAY would really like MOOT as well, and vice versa.

I love Smallcreep's day, absolutely love it. I Like MOOT but in a more lukewarm way.
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« Reply #80 on: Nov 13th, 2017, 12:47pm »

on Nov 13th, 2017, 12:09pm, onetwothree wrote:
I'm surprised how much dislike there is for Man Of Our Times. It's one of the DUKE tracks that grabbed me right away, as opposed to others (Heathaze, Cul-De-Sac, Please Don't Ask) that took time for me to warm up to.

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MoOT grabbed me right away as well.
It was initially my favourite song from Duke and when I saw them on that tour, I recall sort of hoping it would be played - which of course, it wasn't.

But first impressions aren't always lasting ones.

MoOT doesn't seem to have a lot of nuance to it, unlike Heathaze, for example, which initially just seemed like a pleasant little tune to end Side 1, but quickly grew to become one of my favourites on the album.
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« Reply #81 on: Nov 13th, 2017, 5:19pm »

on Nov 13th, 2017, 12:47pm, Witchwood wrote:
MoOT grabbed me right away as well.
It was initially my favourite song from Duke and when I saw them on that tour, I recall sort of hoping it would be played - which of course, it wasn't.

But first impressions aren't always lasting ones.

MoOT doesn't seem to have a lot of nuance to it, unlike Heathaze, for example, which initially just seemed like a pleasant little tune to end Side 1, but quickly grew to become one of my favourites on the album.

It does have a ''monolithic'' quality to it.
Big chords, bid drums, Phil's vocals are interesting, I don't think he had never ventured there before but yes, I agree, that first big impact sort of fades away in time.
Not a weak song by any stretch of imagination, doesn't really stand out on the album though, imo.
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« Reply #82 on: Nov 13th, 2017, 5:57pm »

on Nov 13th, 2017, 5:19pm, Fabrizio wrote:
It does have a ''monolithic'' quality to it.
Big chords, bid drums, Phil's vocals are interesting, I don't think he had never ventured there before but yes, I agree, that first big impact sort of fades away in time.
Not a weak song by any stretch of imagination, doesn't really stand out on the album though, imo.


Not for me. Just as big and great as when I heard it the first time. Love it loud!!!
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« Reply #83 on: Nov 14th, 2017, 09:56am »

I also was immediately grabbed by MOOT. When I recently did a 6-disc Genesis compilation I hadn't heard it probably since the 80s, but dusted it off and included it and I'm glad I did. I can kind of see why some will think it hasn't aged well but I'm really enjoying it again. I especially like PC's vocal register and the overall BIG feel of the track. Its own writer hates it though, according to his book.

Over the years, the brilliance of the opening two tracks gradually crept up on me and I now consider them to be among the very best songs they ever did, especially Duchess. My affection for the album is a lot to do with the Duke Tour being my first experience of seeing them live. I went to 2 gigs, the 1st being just before the album came out so apart from TIOA the tracks were new to me, and my main memory of that gig is being absolutely spellbound by the opening section of Duchess.

I like everything on it apart from Heathaze, Alone and Please. The 2007 remaster sounds excellent.
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« Reply #84 on: Nov 14th, 2017, 10:08am »

on Nov 13th, 2017, 12:09pm, onetwothree wrote:
I'm surprised how much dislike there is for Man Of Our Times. It's one of the DUKE tracks that grabbed me right away, as opposed to others (Heathaze, Cul-De-Sac, Please Don't Ask) that took time for me to warm up to.

I would bet that most Genesis fans who really like SMALLCREEP'S DAY would really like MOOT as well, and vice versa.


and yet.....

I rate Smallcreep's Day as the best non-Hackett Genesis solo album, but never liked MOOT from the start. SD is full of subtlety and melody, as is Heathaze, MOOT is as subtle as a flying mallet! wink
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« Reply #85 on: Nov 14th, 2017, 10:09am »

on Nov 14th, 2017, 09:56am, Backdrifter wrote:
I also was immediately grabbed by MOOT. When I recently did a 6-disc Genesis compilation I hadn't heard it probably since the 80s, but dusted it off and included it and I'm glad I did. I can kind of see why some will think it hasn't aged well but I'm really enjoying it again. I especially like PC's vocal register and the overall BIG feel of the track. Its own writer hates it though, according to his book.

Over the years, the brilliance of the opening two tracks gradually crept up on me and I now consider them to be among the very best songs they ever did, especially Duchess. My affection for the album is a lot to do with the Duke Tour being my first experience of seeing them live. I went to 2 gigs, the 1st being just before the album came out so apart from TIOA the tracks were new to me, and my main memory of that gig is being absolutely spellbound by the opening section of Duchess.

I like everything on it apart from Heathaze, Alone and Please. The 2007 remaster sounds excellent.


Mike hates it? Why? Certainly not his worst song and I think it was also nice to hear some edge coming from him after your own special way, Snowbound, Alone tonight.....
Heathaze is imo one of Tony's best, although I think he could have worked a bit on the words. I think Phil had a point when complaining about singing ''whereas''.
Behind the lines, Duchess AND Guide vocal are just too good.
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« Reply #86 on: Nov 15th, 2017, 06:41am »

^ Except about Heathaze, I agree. I can't fully remember MR's reasons for disliking MOOT so much, in his autobiography he says something about it going too far, or similar.

I get the earlier comment above about it being about as unsubtle as they got but that's one of the reasons I like it, it was such a departure in a number of ways.
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« Reply #87 on: Nov 15th, 2017, 06:59am »

I always thought MOOT was a close cousin to "Cats & Rats" from SD.
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« Reply #88 on: Nov 22nd, 2017, 3:09pm »

I too was 16 at the time I first experienced Duke. A friend of mine from High School had it, and played it for me. I sat there pretending to like it, as he seemed so enthusiastic and I didn't want to hurt his feelings, but I really didn't care for any of the songs except Misunderstanding.

Then, as things have a tendency to do, the sound grew on me over the next six months-having not heard it again since. So I then went and bought it for myself. (I was in the middle of my multi-year "journey of discovery" into Genesis' back catalogue, and felt it would be good for me to have it anyways, if only for a sense of completion.)

After I popped my own copy of the CD in my player, and the opening jam for Behind the Lines began, I was immediately captured-and I barely listened to anything else for a couple months after that!!

To this day, Duke is among my top 5 favorites of Genesis albums.
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